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 Post subject: I didn't choose this life...
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:36 am 
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It chose me.


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Deep. Keep chugging Bill.


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Cultural history determines our fate. The right or wrong man at the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time says more about the circumstances than about the person. Correction. Not more. All. Including epigenetics.


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Ron de Weijze wrote:
Cultural history determines our fate. The right or wrong man at the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time says more about the circumstances than about the person. Correction. Not more. All. Including epigenetics.


It determines part of our fate - a small part. There are an innumerable list of other factors.
It is what just down to one thing - or a small number of things then we would be able to tell with some certainty what would happen next. At the moment such predictiveness is limited to a small range of scientifically reducible circumstances, and it is a mistake to try to impose that sort or prediction like some sort of undigested historicism.
You seem fascinated by epigenetics - may I suggest you look to see how limited this stuff is.

Bill - you were not 'chose' you just happened like everyone else.


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Everything here, everything here in this outer world is an accident.

We live watching the wall on the cave. We live our lives as accepted accidents, even somewhat predictable accidents. We believe our lives, our thoughts, our logic.



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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
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Chaz, cultural history is incompatible with nastiness and rudeness indeed. Although I do believe it is the source of it too, at times and places we do not have all the answers and that is all that seems left.

Bill, I wonder what you think of what I wrote yesterday. You have a synthetic mind like me, believing that everything is an accident, culture and history only making it 'happy' (thank you Bob Ross). I rewrite it regularly, trying to make it the best I can.


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Ron de Weijze wrote:
Cultural history determines our fate. The right or wrong man at the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time . . .

. . .says nothing about what the women were up to!


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Thundril wrote:
Ron de Weijze wrote:
Cultural history determines our fate. The right or wrong man at the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time . . .

. . .says nothing about what the women were up to!

:lol: I beg to differ, having my own belief about how that works!


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Oh, yeah. :oops:


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Ron, I LOVE your site and I enjoy reading your links.


I just read your Constructive Recollection, as you suggested earlier in this thread.



Constructive Recollection
is a concept that I encountered in my life years ago. This is perhaps the deepest philosophical depths that I have ever plumbed.

The concept is fascinating and I applaud you for writing a great article on this incredible phenomenon.





It goes without saying that Constructive Recollection, as you conceive it, deserves a whole separate thread.


I'm not sure how many people, even here, have experienced this mind blowing reality.



Good luck Ron de Weijze in all you do.





Thank you for being part of this forum...






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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
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Bill Wiltrack wrote:
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Constructive Recollection[/i] is a concept that I encountered in my life years ago. ...
It would help me if you recounted this Bill as I'm having difficulty in understanding what Ron's ideas? So another perspective may help.


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Ron de Weijze wrote:
Chaz, cultural history is incompatible with nastiness and rudeness indeed. Although I do believe it is the source of it too, at times and places we do not have all the answers and that is all that seems left.

If it is the source of it then it must not be incompatible with it.

Bill, I wonder what you think of what I wrote yesterday. You have a synthetic mind like me, believing that everything is an accident, culture and history only making it 'happy' (thank you Bob Ross). I rewrite it regularly, trying to make it the best I can.


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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
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Ron de Weijze wrote:
Thundril wrote:
Ron de Weijze wrote:
Cultural history determines our fate. The right or wrong man at the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time . . .

. . .says nothing about what the women were up to!

:lol: I beg to differ, having my own belief about how that works!


Either you are being completely crass or you just missed Thundril's point about your male chauvinist statement.
In other words cultural history (whatever you think that is) is just as likely to be about the wrong woman at the right or wrong place....
But , then no one is worrying because you have not said what 'cultural history' is; why you think it determines us, nor by how much; and what you mean by the following sentence is anyones guess.


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GREAT question Arising_uk...


I think Ron de Weijze states it best and I hope he does not mind me quoting him here,

I think we must always be connected to our significant other, by independent confirmation of the forms we recollect and construct, from the depths of our being to the utmost periphery, believing them to fit our one and common world intuitively yet precisely, until we realize our dream, or we realize our mistake.
~ Ron de Weijze ~


For me, my story, I was in school at the time, almost 40 years ago. It was an extremely intense point in my life. I had an all encompassing feeling that everything that I was learning, I was in school at the time, I was just remembering. I even used the term re-remembering frequently.

I had the all encompassing feeling that in our lives we are just re-remembering EVERYTHING.



This feeling was much deeper than intellectual. It came upon me. I did not characterize or identify as what I was experiencing as Constructive Recollectionbut I did recognize the same concept.



Also, it seems we are uncannily connected to people that we have had sex with. This too could be connected with Constructive Recollection.



I must also add, that if you have not experienced this Constructive Recollection phenomenon you cannot understand it.

It would be useless to try and explain Constructive Recollection to another individual who has not had this feeling. Just useless.



Thank you for the question.






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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
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You are much upon the dimissing of the ability of communication Bill.

But for once you have answered a question so I thank you as it has helped.

I must ask Ron what he means by this 'significant other'?


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