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Philosophy Explorer wrote:(now you're in my league rookie).
Did I miss that I just had a lobotomy?
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Terrapin Station wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:(now you're in my league rookie).
Did I miss that I just had a lobotomy?
Not possible, Surgeons usually lobotomize a brain, and usually a Crow has a brain.
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thedoc wrote:
Terrapin Station wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:(now you're in my league rookie).
Did I miss that I just had a lobotomy?
Not possible, Surgeons usually lobotomize a brain, and usually a Crow has a brain.
Ice cream for crow.

Which at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is basically what you think everyone has, given your liquid views.
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Terrapin Station wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:(now you're in my league rookie).
Did I miss that I just had a lobotomy?
In your case, I'm sorry to inform you the operation was a complete failure.

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Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Terrapin Station wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:(now you're in my league rookie).
Did I miss that I just had a lobotomy?
In your case, I'm sorry to inform you the operation was a complete failure.

PhilX
Ah, so then I still have a complete brain and I'm not in your league after all.
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Terrapin Station wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Terrapin Station wrote:Did I miss that I just had a lobotomy?
In your case, I'm sorry to inform you the operation was a complete failure.

PhilX
Ah, so then I still have a complete brain and I'm not in your league after all.
Complete brain? You mean you still have two of them?

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the brain acts as an antennae producing the on state of consciousness. In the world of the brain we create ourselves on this memory network matrix in its on position. The place of love and care is the amygdala. Without an amygdala we would be fearless and robotic. So that would be a materialist view.
On the other hand if life has a non physical realm that would answer the question of how did intelligence in a purely physical reality arise. Intelligence must pre exist for intelligence to form. The purely physical reality is random and chaotic and violently indifferent to life. Yet we have the anthropic principle and the highly intelligent organization and conceptual nature of humans and animals. We have colorful nature foods that are purposefully appealing and healthy. This is no indifferent coincidence in an otherwise indifferent reality where life has no business surviving in it.You cant get something intelligent from nothing or brute chaos. So a convergent spiritual world and thus dualism is quite possible. Higher intelligence must be part of existence itself otherwise we would never be here. To think that we are some freaky anomaly ignores logic and complete sense and explanation. Life must be inherent to existence because you cant get something from nothing or a total lack of intelligence and aliveness. So dualism seems more than possible but likely.The brain closely attached to the soul the soul being non physical completely.
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bahman wrote:I was thinking about dualism recently and I find it problematic. Lets start with definition of dualism. Dualism is a system of belief which claims that both mind/soul and matter are real. Mind however is not material hence it does not have any location. The problem I am facing is how one can related one mind to one body.
I think that logic is the connecting factor of this mind to this body. The given age determines the number of years that the mind has shaped the body through all experience, even in the sense of the very thinking. Heck, even the creation of the very body happens according to the logic of the mind (if not the mind of the father and mother through the act of creation).

More importantly, as I happen to believe that the soul is proven by OBEs (Out-of-Body-Experiences), Van Lommel studies, NDEs (Near-Death-Experiences) and Phantom Feelings, I think that those who deny the existence of the soul don't know what they are talking about or that they are lying about the issue. Because I sense that they are subject to the Problem of Induction, they don't know about the "black swans" from their "little" Life-Worlds of information!

Dualism is winning!

What say you?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_studies
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_after_death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_pain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_limb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_induction
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a synapse is electrochemical impulses firing. The brain is motor sensory. thoughts are not synapses. The brain can only be motion and sensory.
Stuart hameroff is working on a quantum definition of the brain. saying that the brain works non locally. he is a reputable neuroscientist.

The entangled brain only makes sense.

The soul is also self evident.
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osgart wrote: The entangled brain only makes sense.
Really?
The soul is also self evident.
I'm sure it is to anyone with an entangled brain.
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quantum entanglement of physics
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osgart wrote:quantum entanglement of physics
And what does quantum physics say about souls?
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it leaves the door open for them to exist
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osgart wrote:it leaves the door open for them to exist
That's not saying a lot really, is it? As no one seems to know exactly what a soul is it is very difficult to eliminate the possibility of them existing. I mean, you wouldn't know what you were trying to disprove, would you?
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a soul is simply the heart mind and will. heart is the place of cares loves hates and ambivalences. where do those qualities of being reside and how can you derive such qualities from matter.
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