To be a strong person

bryangld27 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:50 pm **Posts:** 2

What does it mean to be a strong person? Would being a strong person mean to be strong physically? Emotionally? Mentally? Personally?
Would being a strong person mean to overcome obstacles and hardships to reach success and to fully develop your charcter by yourself? Does accepting help make you weak?

I'm sorry if I've caused confusion. I'm turning 19 this year and I've been passive almost all my life. I think of myself as a weak person but I know I'm a sleeping giant. I know I could accomplish so much more and change to a completely different person. I just want to know what it is to be a strong person so I can clear my head (very confused right now).

duszek · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:56 am

To be strong emotionally means that your emotions do not control you but that you control them.
Some people give way to rage or they get carried away by their feelings and end up in a miserable state, having broken china or worse. They are weak.

duszek · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:48 pm

Sometimes manipulators try to put a weak person under pressure, or whom they assume to be a weak person.

One can generously ingnore such a faux pas and thus kindly signal to the manipulators that they are wasting their energy.

duszek · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:51 pm

Accepting help may be a good thing.
Later on you could move on to actively choosing your advisors.

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Being strong physically is a good thing and makes life more enjoyable.

duszek · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:03 pm

Someone who is mentally strong is probably good at analysing an issue and at making the results of this analysis accessible to others in a clear and precise way.

What impairs this faculty is .... watching TV ? exposing oneself to a flood of stimuli ?

Clear thinking needs concentration or focusing.

Arising_uk · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:31 am **Posts:** 10396

Rather than asking others for answers, the questions you could ask yourself are "What does being a strong person mean to me?" then "What would being a strong person do for me?". Once you have your answers then you can ask, "How could I become such a person?" or "What is stopping me being the strong person I wish to be?". Solve these and I guess you'll be the strong person you seek.

duszek · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:19 pm

Could you provide a multiple choice of answers to choose from ?

Answering: what does it mean to be strong ? can be just as difficult as: what is the meaning of life ?

Arising_uk · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:31 am **Posts:** 10396

duszek wrote:

Could you provide a multiple choice of answers to choose from ?

Answering: what does it mean to be strong ? can be just as difficult as: what is the meaning of life ?

No, thats what he's already asking. It's, "What does being strong mean to me", "what is the meaning of life to me?

duszek · **Posted:** Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:18 am

Being strong can mean three things:

1. being strong physically
2. being strong intellectually
3. being strong emotionally

Most of us want to be strong in all three senses.
2. and 3. combined form a strong character, 1. helps to form a strong character.

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Being strong is to live without fear. Fear is the reason killer. It serves no useful function at all; a by-product of our evolution when we were not equipped with the capacity to reason. Fear does not help us properly assess risk. Fear blinds us to the opportunities.

When you realise that we will all be dead in 100 years and that everything you do will mean nothing to the future, then and only then can you act without guilt freely deciding your action; liberated from fear of death.

Physical strength is useless unless you want to be a boxer - but even then it is useless without mental strength.
Withe mental strength you can achieve what a strong idiot can never achieve.

Izzywizzy · **Joined:** Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:52 pm **Posts:** 387

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It serves no useful function at all;

I disagree// there is a time to dance and a time to run./;/its called fight or flight most evolutionists know this survival instinct only a complete idiot would never fear..he would burn his arm in fire `cos he don`t fear..he would waste his whole platoon cos he didn`t fear or think..how many dead heroes do you know? if they listen to no fear..they will be

man survives due to fear aswell as bravery

Arising_uk · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:31 am **Posts:** 10396

chaz wyman wrote:

Being strong is to live without fear. Fear is the reason killer. It serves no useful function at all; a by-product of our evolution when we were not equipped with the capacity to reason. Fear does not help us properly assess risk. Fear blinds us to the opportunities.

When you realise that we will all be dead in 100 years and that everything you do will mean nothing to the future, then and only then can you act without guilt freely deciding your action; liberated from fear of death.

"Physical strength is useless unless you want to be a boxer - but even then it is useless without mental strength.
Withe mental strength you can achieve what a strong idiot can never achieve.

Depends what you mean? Can you lift the same weight?

Although I agree it needs a will to be the full monty whatever ones size.

I agree that an encounter with mortality gives one a perspective.

Not sure what you mean by 'fear'? As in essence I think fear as a feeling is an adrenaline rush, as such it has a purpose. It is how you 'control' that rush that does affect the freeze/fight/flight response and I think that does involve reasoning at the time.

"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain."
Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear - From Frank Herbert's Dune Book Series :lol:

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Arising_uk wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

Being strong is to live without fear. Fear is the reason killer. It serves no useful function at all; a by-product of our evolution when we were not equipped with the capacity to reason. Fear does not help us properly assess risk. Fear blinds us to the opportunities.

When you realise that we will all be dead in 100 years and that everything you do will mean nothing to the future, then and only then can you act without guilt freely deciding your action; liberated from fear of death.

"Physical strength is useless unless you want to be a boxer - but even then it is useless without mental strength.
Withe mental strength you can achieve what a strong idiot can never achieve.

Depends what you mean? Can you lift the same weight?

I don't see the relevance of the question.
Same as what?

Although I agree it needs a will to be the full monty whatever ones size.

I agree that an encounter with mortality gives one a perspective.

Not sure what you mean by 'fear'? As in essence I think fear as a feeling is an adrenaline rush, as such it has a purpose.

I disagree that Either fear or adrenalin has a purpose. Adrenalin can lead to cowering, flight, fright, or fight.
It's how you choose to react to what ever the situation is.

It is how you 'control' that rush that does affect the freeze/fight/flight response and I think that does involve reasoning at the time.

Oh look the same as I typed!! So what is the purpose?

"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain."
Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear - From Frank Herbert's Dune Book Series :lol:

Thanks! Now I remember where I read it in the first place! In 1976!!!!!

Arising_uk · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:31 am **Posts:** 10396

chaz wyman wrote:

I don't see the relevance of the question.
Same as what?

"Withe mental strength you can achieve what a strong idiot can never achieve",
I think the contrary can hold as well.

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I disagree that Either fear or adrenalin has a purpose. Adrenalin can lead to cowering, flight, fright, or fight.
It's how you choose to react to what ever the situation is.[/color]

We agree but I think your description wrong. Adrenalin does not 'lead' to these things. Adrenalin just prepares the body for action. I think it that its the reason that produces the things above. Its that reason interprets the adrenal surge as 'fear' that problems can arise when making the choices of flight, flight, fright, and whilst I understand flinch I think it maybe after another event. Its why I asked about what you mean by 'fear' as many say they are 'fearful' with no apparent adrenaline rush, which is what I consider the source of the 'feeling' called 'fear'.

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Oh look the same as I typed!! So what is the purpose?[/color]Hopefully the above has.

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Thanks! Now I remember where I read it in the first place! In 1976!!!!!

About the same time as me. Also consider Frank's world one of the truly great sci-fi creations. The new boys have done some nice filler and post-stuff but can't capture the sense of new for the time.

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Arising_uk wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

I don't see the relevance of the question.
Same as what?

"Withe mental strength you can achieve what a strong idiot can never achieve",
I think the contrary can hold as well.

Okay achieve anything meaningful or worthwhile.
Maybe you should offer an example?

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I disagree that Either fear or adrenalin has a purpose. Adrenalin can lead to cowering, flight, fright, or fight.
It's how you choose to react to what ever the situation is.[/color]

We agree but I think your description wrong. Adrenalin does not 'lead' to these things. Adrenalin just prepares the body for action. I think it that its the reason that produces the things above.

Sorry but you are confusing purpose with function. Living systems emerge by nature by proximate cause, by natural selection. There is no purpose here. You cannot attribute such a thing simply because there are consequent causes.

Its that reason interprets the adrenal surge as 'fear' that problems can arise when making the choices of flight, flight, fright, and whilst I understand flinch I think it maybe after another event.

I doubt reason has much to do with it. An emotional reaction is not usually reasonable. Reason can be the means by which the emotional reaction can be channelled or controlled, however.

Its why I asked about what you mean by 'fear' as many say they are 'fearful' with no apparent adrenaline rush, which is what I consider the source of the 'feeling' called 'fear'.

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Oh look the same as I typed!! So what is the purpose?[/color]Hopefully the above has.

i.e no actual purpose. A range of possible outcomes, nothing actually guided to a specific purpose. QED

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Thanks! Now I remember where I read it in the first place! In 1976!!!!!

About the same time as me. Also consider Frank's world one of the truly great sci-fi creations. The new boys have done some nice filler and post-stuff but can't capture the sense of new for the time.

Dune was a masterpiece, without doubt.
I used to read nothing else but sci-fi, but one fine day I just stopped - about the same time I finally started my Access course before my degree. The last sf book I read was probably "Bug Jack Baron" the next thing I read was The Origin of Species, which I lapped up from cover to cover.

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