How can a leftist be a good worker in a company?

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Post by Skip » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:18 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Btw, does no one care about the gypsies and homosexuals?
...and people who were developmentally or emotionally impaired, Polish, union members, academics, dissenters, members of a free press, even conscientious Catholics (though the pope was on board, not all priests were) ...
all fell out of the mythos

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Post by henry quirk » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:23 pm

For the record: when I say 'Left' (or, communitarian) I'm talkin' about that cluster of philosophies that raise the community (the 'we') up and tear the individual down, lines of thinking that define 'one' as mere bit or cog and 'many' the enitity the one should serve.

Of course, that great egalitarian 'we' always seems to be led (by the nose) by a few who are more 'equal' than the rest.


The Right I define as folks who mostly just wanna be left alone.


So...

A Rightwinger (like me) just wants to sit fireside and cook up the fish he or she (or I) caught.

A Leftwinger (like you) wants to 'share' in the fish, even though he or she (or you) did nuthin' to help in catchin' it (and if I won't 'share' you'll try to take it from me, shriekin' about your 'rights' and what not).


Pretty sure you (and most of the doofs in-forum) see it all differently.

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"They hardly 'allowed themselves'. No sane person would have expected that."

Abolutely they allowed it...Hitler and his ilk didn't spring up like an overnight fairy ring...the stench of what was comin' was in the air for years.


"does no one care about the gypsies and homosexuals?"

That gypsies were caught up is even more incomprehensible...a self-sufficent lot, eyes open and heads up, thry shoulda caught wind of the Apocalypse way before any one.

As for the gays (and Skip's additions): meh.

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Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:34 pm

henry quirk wrote:For the record: when I say 'Left' (or, communitarian) I'm talkin' about that cluster of philosophies that raise the community (the 'we') up and tear the individual down, lines of thinking that define 'one' as mere bit or cog and 'many' the enitity the one should serve.

Of course, that great egalitarian 'we' always seems to be led (by the nose) by a few who are more 'equal' than the rest.


The Right I define as folks who mostly just wanna be left alone.


So...

A Rightwinger (like me) just wants to sit fireside and cook up the fish he or she (or I) caught.

A Leftwinger (like you) wants to 'share' in the fish, even though he or she (or you) did nuthin' to help in catchin' it (and if I won't 'share' you'll try to take it from me, shriekin' about your 'rights' and what not).


Pretty sure you (and most of the doofs in-forum) see it all differently.

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"They hardly 'allowed themselves'. No sane person would have expected that."

Abolutely they allowed it...Hitler and his ilk didn't spring up like an overnight fairy ring...the stench of what was comin' was in the air for years.


"does no one care about the gypsies and homosexuals?"

That gypsies were caught up is even more incomprehensible...a self-sufficent lot, eyes open and heads up, thry shoulda caught wind of the Apocalypse way before any one.

As for the gays (and Skip's additions): meh.
Don't label me. You don't seem to know a heck of a lot about human nature. And what does 'meh' mean?
So your version of 'right wing' is anarchy. Unfortunately most humans are not hermits. They choose to be part of a society. Modern evolved societies are a mixture of 'capitalist and socialist', and you should be glad of that. It means the general standard of living of the whole population has improved dramatically. If you had your way we would be back in caves (or even before that). You would have to go back a hell of a long way, to before humans became 'social'. Be careful what you wish for. I doubt if you would have the luxury of fishing at your leisure in your anarchic utopia. I don't think you have thought it through very deeply.
Most 'conservatives' would be horrified if their fascist wet dreams became a reality. So-called 'kristian conservatives' are even more idiotic. They are too stupid to understand the reality of their theocratic fantasy. They should go and live in Saudi Arabia.
Btw, do you think the gypsies didn't share? They had their own laws and codes of conduct to adhere to.
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Post by henry quirk » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:13 pm

"Modern evolved societies are a mixture of 'capitalist and socialist' "

No, civillization blends competition and cooperation.

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Post by henry quirk » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:42 pm

And: if me, sitting by a fire I crafted, cookin' up then eatin' fish I caught (that is, minding my own business and keeping my hands to myself) is, to you, anarchistic, then I reckon you know a lot less about human nature than me.

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Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:19 pm

henry quirk wrote:And: if me, sitting by a fire I crafted, cookin' up then eatin' fish I caught (that is, minding my own business and keeping my hands to myself) is, to you, anarchistic, then I reckon you know a lot less about human nature than me.
It seems to me you don't know what the hell it is you are advocating.

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Post by henry quirk » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:26 pm

Such is the plight of the communitarian: a simple desire to be left alone and to do for one's self is viewed by the buttinsky communitarian as advocacy of a politics or philosophy.

Sometimes, Veg, a cigar really is just a cigar.

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Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:36 pm

henry quirk wrote:Such is the plight of the communitarian: a simple desire to be left alone and to do for one's self is viewed by the buttinsky communitarian as advocacy of a politics or philosophy.

Sometimes, Veg, a cigar really is just a cigar.
Your 'vision' is unworkable, which is why you can't define it. The closest you have come to making sense is your 'capitalism and cooperation' comment (although that's extremely vague). Who doesn't want to be 'left alone'? I certainly do. But I am still aware that I'm part of a society. I am aware that contributing makes life better for everyone. I would hate to see a return to the poor house and street beggars (although I've seen a few here, and that was unimaginable until we got a 'neo-lib' govt. See how stupid labels are?). We have Milton Friedman to thank for the moral and economic mess.
It's so-called 'right-wing' Govts. that offer the least freedom. And you described yourself as 'right wing'. When did a 'right-wing' Govt. ever leave people alone? When did humans ever 'leave each other alone'? They can't, which is why we have laws and controls. There's a fine balance between laws that keep us all safer, and too much Govt. control. And yes, it does depend on a lot of cooperation. People could all decide that they aren't going to obey laws any more, and there's nothing any Govt. could do about it.
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Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:54 pm

Skip wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Btw, does no one care about the gypsies and homosexuals?
...and people who were developmentally or emotionally impaired, Polish, union members, academics, dissenters, members of a free press, even conscientious Catholics (though the pope was on board, not all priests were) ...
all fell out of the mythos
Many ordinary Polish catholics were murdered. This is a Polish girl who was murdered at Auschwitz. One of the saddest photos I've ever seen.
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Re: How can a leftist be a good worker in a company?

Post by Greta » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:41 am

Are right wingers always good employees? Many are driven by selfish ambition. Some others believe in strict, right wing authoritarian controls for others but not for themselves.

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Re: How can a leftist be a good worker in a company?

Post by Skip » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:34 am

By what criteria are workers judged?
Is it about their work, their politics, their motivation, or their racial profile?
By what criteria is an employer judged?

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Re: How can a leftist be a good worker in a company?

Post by Above us only sky » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:00 am

Skip wrote:
Above us only sky wrote:A leftist is a person who reject Capitalism and is supportive of Socialism, Anarchism, Communitarianism or Marxism.
Which leftist are you talking about? That's four different political ideologies, rarely found together.
My definition is anyone who reject capitalism, it includes supporters of socialism, anarchism, communitarianism or marxism. here is a simple test:If you agree with what the the poster said then you can be considered a leftist.
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Re: How can a leftist be a good worker in a company?

Post by Above us only sky » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:16 am

Skip wrote:By what criteria are workers judged?
Is it about their work, their politics, their motivation, or their racial profile?
By what criteria is an employer judged?
In the capitalist system, the employer and only the employer have the final say on who is a good employee or not, after all, it is the employer who spend his money to employ the employees to create profits for the employer. And the single standard of a good or bad employee is whether she could produce enough profits for the employer. For example, in many companies there is such thing called KPI, whether an employee is good or bad is decided by the KPI (Key Performance Indicators) which is calculated by how many sells has a person completed or how many profits a person can produce, etc.

How can a leftist be a good worker in a company? In an ordinary company, there is competition between employees, the culture in a private company is capitalist. in a company, a leftist cannot talk about her political view openly, but a right-winger certainly can.

How can a person be a functional part of a system of which she hates? I cannot find an answer.

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Re: How can a leftist be a good worker in a company?

Post by TSBU » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:02 pm

Every person thinking in left or right is going to be equally productive. And is not going to be in the chief. But not every person talking about left or right.
Political bullshit in majority heads is something with implications similar to religious people or not. It only will change a couple of rituals and what do they talk about, the rest is going to be the same. A religious man can be extremely good at chess or any kind of complicated job,the same for people believing in political things. Of course, all of them are going to agree that it's their right to earn more money and the owner less, all of them will go to a "noise group" (manifestation) to... make noise and cries for their "rights", and all of them will want to be paid with money, the more the better, and will lie in their cv, etc, they all will blame the "system" and they all will talk only about what goverment should do or others should do, but they will act in exactly the same way (except for words)... and will be controlled by people who don't give a fuck about "left" or "right" but is happy controlling them.

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Re: How can a leftist be a good worker in a company?

Post by Skip » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:20 pm

Above us only sky wrote: How can a person be a functional part of a system of which she hates? I cannot find an answer.
No, you obviously cannot.
If this was a work-place assignment, you have failed - even with help from unpaid consultants - to carry it out.
You should be fired.

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