Oopps. Lycugus is a mythical figure. I studied ancient history for 6 years.
so? i graduated classical sciences- ancient greek and latin language, mythology, history, and culture. even if lycyrgus was a mythical figure (which i think he was not), that would mean that the spartans would have even a higher respect for the laws they think he gave them.Well as no one was writing anything down when he was supposed to have lived - then he is by definition a mythical figure. The first reference to him is 300 years after his mythical life. THis you ought to know if your claim is to be believed.
The fact is that homosexuality was a common practice in the fifth century when Plato and Xenophon were writing, and 'history' was a very different subject to the one it is today.
yes, it was. but doesn't change the facts that it was unacceptable in sparta (tantamount to incest) or that plato called it unnatural.Plato did not speak for the entire Greek speaking world.
TUFTS is a bit of a joke my friend. One cannot expect a balanced view from a Christian Uni.
mistake mistake. not a christian university, a secular (well-respected) university, which doesn't even have a christian history, but a unitarian/ deist one.Opps. Unitarian is Christian.
As I said the word abomination does not appear in the Greek literature.
okay here's a translation used on gutenberg:
"Lycurgus adopted a system opposed to all of these alike. Given that some one, himself being all that a man ought to be, should in admiration of a boy's soul endeavour to discover in him a true friend without reproach, and to consort with him—this was a relationship which Lycurgus commended, and indeed regarded as the noblest type of bringing up. But if, as was evident, it was not an attachment to the soul, but a yearning merely towards the body, he stamped this thing as foul and horrible
; and with this result, to the credit of Lycurgus be it said, that in Lacedaemon the relationship of lover and beloved is like that of parent and child or brother and brother where carnal appetite is in abeyance. "
not an abomination, but "foul and horrible". If your claim to have studied ancient Greek is true then perhaps you could let us all know what the word 'abomination' was in the original!
That would depend on what you mean by "tantamount to abomination".
not tantamount to abomination, but incest. it clearly says that pederasty is as bad as incest.Which was commonly practiced amongst the Gods themselves. All this proves is that incest and homosexuality were practiced enough for people to speak against them.
who were working against the democratic movement at the time and wanted to recommend to the people of the Athenians the Laconic totalitarian system of Sparta - or their version of it.
and you studied ancient history?
sparta actually employed democracy, and was praised for it, and took as an example by both the french republic, and the american founding fathers. neither looked to athens as an example, but to sparta (and rome).Go back to school! You are fucking clueless!! Democracy was born in Athens, and their Delian League impressed and even imposed Democracy on a number of City- States.
Conversely Sparta was ruled by 2 Kings and a small council of Old Men.
This is pretty basic stuff. Is this the stuff you learned at TUFTS??? What a joke!
All you are doing is giving voice to an anti-democracy movement which has many key features in common with Fascism, Naziism and other "Enemies of the Open Society" as Sir Karl Popper put it.
yes, i oppose the idea of an "open society", because in a society where almost everything is allowed, crime and poverty would flourish. people need authoritarian rule. read hobbes.
I have read Hobbes' Leviathan and Behemoth, but I seriously doubt that you have.
Then why don't you go and live in Russia? Oh wait--- even they have rejected totalitarianism.. I know - fuck off to North Korea. But whilst you are about it you are in serious need of revising you (ahem) knowledge of the ancient world.
I think we are done here!!!