Yes. That's the law of nature in most cases. Humans have the ability, in my opinion, to transcend natural tendencies. Which is why we attempt governments and constitutions.Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:37 ammight makes rightTimTimothy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:52 pm ...and if you believe power is all that deserves freedom, then there's no need for a constitution, a government, or law/rule of any kind.
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I'd replace the stoplight at a busy intersection with one word: consent.
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Might crucified Jesus...does that mean it was "right"?Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:37 ammight makes rightTimTimothy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:52 pm ...and if you believe power is all that deserves freedom, then there's no need for a constitution, a government, or law/rule of any kind.
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certainly- without the crucifixion, there is no resurrection or salvationartisticsolution wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:12 pmMight crucified Jesus...does that mean it was "right"?Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:37 ammight makes rightTimTimothy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:52 pm ...and if you believe power is all that deserves freedom, then there's no need for a constitution, a government, or law/rule of any kind.
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then again, who you gonna believe?
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no, we attempt government and constitutions based on the promise of controlling the actions of the other person; as well as the promise of stealing the other's possessions and redistributing them in the name of fairness...TimTimothy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:19 pmYes. That's the law of nature in most cases. Humans have the ability, in my opinion, to transcend natural tendencies. Which is why we attempt governments and constitutions.Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:37 ammight makes rightTimTimothy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:52 pm ...and if you believe power is all that deserves freedom, then there's no need for a constitution, a government, or law/rule of any kind.
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You are confusing what is "right" with what is "destined".Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:21 amcertainly- without the crucifixion, there is no resurrection or salvationartisticsolution wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:12 pmMight crucified Jesus...does that mean it was "right"?
then again, who you gonna believe?
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I don't think Jesus or God would think it was right to crucify an innocent man...even if the majority thought so...do you?
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Should I take this as a serious critique?OuterLimits wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:41 pm I'd replace the stoplight at a busy intersection with one word: consent.
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So, peasants rose up against overlords to steal the overlord's goods? Or, do you have it backwards? The Overlord was stealing the productive labor of the peasants and they rose up to reclaim their goods?Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:25 amno, we attempt government and constitutions based on the promise of controlling the actions of the other person; as well as the promise of stealing the other's possessions and redistributing them in the name of fairness...TimTimothy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:19 pmYes. That's the law of nature in most cases. Humans have the ability, in my opinion, to transcend natural tendencies. Which is why we attempt governments and constitutions.
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I get 'consent' but there's ambiguity there, and where there's ambiguity there's a jackass to exploit it.
I like the constitution 'as is', mostly cuz it makes for inefficent and (sometimes) ineffective government (government too busy with itself to be worryin' much about 'me').
But, if I had to draft a new one, the following works (for me)...
Mind your own business, keep your hands to yourself...or else.
I like the constitution 'as is', mostly cuz it makes for inefficent and (sometimes) ineffective government (government too busy with itself to be worryin' much about 'me').
But, if I had to draft a new one, the following works (for me)...
Mind your own business, keep your hands to yourself...or else.
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if it was destined, then it must occur regardless of right or wrongartisticsolution wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:20 amYou are confusing what is "right" with what is "destined".Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:21 amcertainly- without the crucifixion, there is no resurrection or salvationartisticsolution wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:12 pm
Might crucified Jesus...does that mean it was "right"?
then again, who you gonna believe?
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I don't think Jesus or God would think it was right to crucify an innocent man...even if the majority thought so...do you?
I wouldn't presume to think for god; I'm simply going from what is recorded that he did
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no, the new overlords convinced the peasants to give them (the new overlords) power, when the new overlords promised the peasants welfare checksTimTimothy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:58 pmSo, peasants rose up against overlords to steal the overlord's goods? Or, do you have it backwards? The Overlord was stealing the productive labor of the peasants and they rose up to reclaim their goods?Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:25 amno, we attempt government and constitutions based on the promise of controlling the actions of the other person; as well as the promise of stealing the other's possessions and redistributing them in the name of fairness...TimTimothy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:19 pm
Yes. That's the law of nature in most cases. Humans have the ability, in my opinion, to transcend natural tendencies. Which is why we attempt governments and constitutions.
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If you say, 'might makes right', then there is no right and wrong, because everything could be right or wrong depending on how the majority swayed.Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:03 amif it was destined, then it must occur regardless of right or wrongartisticsolution wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:20 amYou are confusing what is "right" with what is "destined".Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:21 am
certainly- without the crucifixion, there is no resurrection or salvation
then again, who you gonna believe?
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I don't think Jesus or God would think it was right to crucify an innocent man...even if the majority thought so...do you?
I wouldn't presume to think for god; I'm simply going from what is recorded that he did
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And as far as God goes...and whether or not he wants us to think about his words...of course he does. If he didnt he wouldnt write a book of rules regarding what he thinks is right and wrong.
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And then the new overlords renigged on the welfare checks...lolImpenitent wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:07 amno, the new overlords convinced the peasants to give them (the new overlords) power, when the new overlords promised the peasants welfare checksTimTimothy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:58 pmSo, peasants rose up against overlords to steal the overlord's goods? Or, do you have it backwards? The Overlord was stealing the productive labor of the peasants and they rose up to reclaim their goods?Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:25 am
no, we attempt government and constitutions based on the promise of controlling the actions of the other person; as well as the promise of stealing the other's possessions and redistributing them in the name of fairness...
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Re: A New Constitution
exactly, there is no right or wrong except for what the "victor" claims it to be, and no, not the majority, the mightyartisticsolution wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:17 amIf you say, 'might makes right', then there is no right and wrong, because everything could be right or wrong depending on how the majority swayed.Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:03 amif it was destined, then it must occur regardless of right or wrongartisticsolution wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:20 am
You are confusing what is "right" with what is "destined".
I don't think Jesus or God would think it was right to crucify an innocent man...even if the majority thought so...do you?
I wouldn't presume to think for god; I'm simply going from what is recorded that he did
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And as far as God goes...and whether or not he wants us to think about his words...of course he does. If he didnt he wouldnt write a book of rules regarding what he thinks is right and wrong.
he wrote the book? which original text?
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Ah...a god believer, now I understand.Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:03 amif it was destined, then it must occur regardless of right or wrongartisticsolution wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:20 amYou are confusing what is "right" with what is "destined".Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:21 am certainly- without the crucifixion, there is no resurrection or salvation
then again, who you gonna believe?
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I don't think Jesus or God would think it was right to crucify an innocent man...even if the majority thought so...do you?
I wouldn't presume to think for god; I'm simply going from what is recorded that he did
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Anyone who accepts the bible and god's power without question has a much different value system than I do. And therefore, it's unlikely we can have a productive conversation. It's just a gap too far. Cheers!