Actually, as the Atheists on this board will happily tell you, "Atheism" did no such things. Atheism, they will tell you, is nothing but ether a) a disbelief in God," or as some say, b) a belief in "no Gods." (You'll have to ask them to explain that: they get really incoherent when they do: they say it's a belief but not a belief; that it "knows" but doesn't actually "know"...and so on.)Greta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:23 amImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:07 pmThen show me the contrary logic.
Show me, for example, that Atheism is a moral position. Or that it's based in knowledge. Or that it can ground a society...or do any of the things I have said it cannot. If my logic is faulty, it should be a simple matter for your to show that. For it's easy to say "I don't believe you": but it's quite another to show you have reasons for your disbelief.What atheism did was retain the useful (and usually instinctive) aspects of Christian morality but lessened the religion's quirky and irrational discrimination against women, gays and people of other religions.
One thing the Atheists and I all agree on: other than some kind of bare-bones denial of God, it has nothing to say...no opinions about morality, truth, reality, politics, meaning, justice, rights, the future, or any other thing -- let alone discrimination, religions, gender, homosexuality, and so on.
But you are astute to intuit Atheism's pickle over human rights: those are an idea that is borrowed entirely from Judeo-Christianity. Their only legitimation is found on that basis: so all the rights attributed today to any minority group are a bequest not of Atheism, but of the Christian past. And now they exist without any way to show they're legitimate. No wonder, then, we see those rights are being eroded and destroyed today. The world is quickly turning into a cacophony of unprovable "rights" claims, with everybody simply using power to assert their demands, and nobody able to explain why everybody else owes them the "rights" they want.