Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?

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Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?

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China reacted to the revelation it had purged a network of CIA informants with a victory lap, boasting that the execution of a dozen spies within the last seven years was a triumph for its “anti-espionage activities.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi ... spartandhp

I sort of wonder if this isn't a ruse on the part of the Chinese government designed to discourage anyone from making further attempts. Maybe in reality they're simply in detention centers or something?

Or should espionage done during peacetime be punishable by death? Thoughts?
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Doesn't matter if it's peacetime or during war. Spying is against the interests of the invaded country. If it results in people getting killed in the invaded country, then the spy forfeits his or her life.

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As a divinely inspired prophet, I can tell you that capital punishment or prisons of any kind should be immediately abolished. If somebody commits a crime, the government can take one of the following three actions:

Punishment
a) For revenge (serves no positive purpose).
b) For rehabilitation (unsupported by psychological evidence).
c) For deterrence (government exploitation).

Restitution
Unequal protection under the law.

Control
Positive action designed to prevent recurrence.

The only proper action is control.
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bobevenson wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 4:45 pm As a divinely inspired prophet, I can tell you that capital punishment or prisons of any kind should be immediately abolished. If somebody commits a crime, the government can take one of the following three actions:

Punishment
a) For revenge (serves no positive purpose).
b) For rehabilitation (unsupported by psychological evidence).
c) For deterrence (government exploitation).

Restitution
Unequal protection under the law.

Control
Positive action designed to prevent recurrence.

The only proper action is control.
What do you mean by positive action?

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Philosophy Explorer wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 5:18 pm What do you mean by positive action?
Like restricting movement and activities or providing a structured environment, whatever it takes to prevent recurrence.
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bobevenson wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 5:30 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 5:18 pm What do you mean by positive action?
Like restricting movement and activities or providing a structured environment, whatever it takes to prevent recurrence.
That sounds a bit like prison.
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No jail cells or anything like them, only the least oppressive actions to protect the public. Aren't you glad you've got a prophet on board?
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bobevenson wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 8:16 pm No jail cells or anything like them, only the least oppressive actions to protect the public. Aren't you glad you've got a prophet on board?
We need concrete examples of what you're talking about.

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I don't want to get into the nuts and bolts of a program, just the proper theoretical approach to it. That's all this forum can handle.
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bobevenson wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 8:42 pm I don't want to get into the nuts and bolts of a program, just the proper theoretical approach to it. That's all this forum can handle.
You'll never make scientist of the year.

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How about prophet of the past two thousand years?
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bobevenson wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 9:16 pm How about prophet of the past two thousand years?

You're that old? :lol:

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Well, to tell you the truth, I may be the only prophet to walk the face of the Earth since John on the isle of Patmos, who wrote the book of Revelation in 96 AD.
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Gary Childress wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 7:45 am
China reacted to the revelation it had purged a network of CIA informants with a victory lap, boasting that the execution of a dozen spies within the last seven years was a triumph for its “anti-espionage activities.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi ... spartandhp

I sort of wonder if this isn't a ruse on the part of the Chinese government designed to discourage anyone from making further attempts. Maybe in reality they're simply in detention centers or something?

Or should espionage done during peacetime be punishable by death? Thoughts?
yes, when espionage is discovered, politicians and bureaucrats should be executed

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Impenitent wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 11:53 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Tue May 23, 2017 7:45 am
China reacted to the revelation it had purged a network of CIA informants with a victory lap, boasting that the execution of a dozen spies within the last seven years was a triumph for its “anti-espionage activities.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi ... spartandhp

I sort of wonder if this isn't a ruse on the part of the Chinese government designed to discourage anyone from making further attempts. Maybe in reality they're simply in detention centers or something?

Or should espionage done during peacetime be punishable by death? Thoughts?
yes, when espionage is discovered, politicians and bureaucrats should be executed

-Imp
Why? Isn't that being a little inhumane?
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