~ The Fourth Political Theory ~

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All the political systems of the modern age have been the products of three distinct ideologies: the first, and oldest, is liberal democracy; the second is Marxism; and the third is fascism.

The latter two have long since failed and passed out of the pages of history, and the first no longer operates as an ideology, but rather as something taken for granted.

The world today finds itself on the brink of a post-political reality - one in which the values of liberalism are so deeply embedded that the average person is not aware that there is an ideology at work around him.

As a result, liberalism is threatening to monopolise political discourse and drown the world in a universal sameness, destroying everything that makes the various cultures and peoples unique.

According to Alexander Dugin, what is needed to break through this morass is a fourth ideology - one that will sift through the debris of the first three to look for elements that might be useful, but that remains innovative and unique in itself. Dugin does not offer a point-by-point program for this new theory, but rather outlines the parameters within which it might develop and the issues which it must address.

Dugin foresees that the Fourth Political Theory will use the tools and concepts of modernity against itself, to bring about a return of cultural diversity against commercialisation, as well as the traditional worldview of all the peoples of the world - albeit within an entirely new context.

Written by a scholar who is actively influencing the direction of Russian geopolitical strategy today, The Fourth Political Theory is an introduction to an idea that may well shape the course of the world's political future.

Alexander Dugin is one of the best-known writers and political commentators in post-Soviet Russia. In addition to the many books he has authored on political, philosophical and spiritual topics, he currently serves on the staff of Moscow State University, and is the intellectual leader of the Eurasia Movement. For more than a decade, he has also been an advisor to Vladimir Putin and others in the Kremlin on geopolitical matters, being a vocal advocate of a return of Russian power to the global stage, to act as a counterweight to American domination.








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Bill Wiltrack wrote:For more than a decade, Alexander Dugin has also been an advisor to Vladimir Putin and others in the Kremlin on geopolitical matters, being a vocal advocate of a return of Russian power to the global stage, to act as a counterweight to American domination.
Starting, of course, with the illegal hacking of American political emails to get their man in the White House.
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Hello there Bill. I am wondering: Is this some sort of joke? Alexandre Dugin, I do not think, is your sort of man. Here is the Wiki entry. Here is an entry that appeared in Counter-Currents.
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No joke.


For the past couple of months I have been working on my being in relation to this dynamic philosophy that has exploded upon the entirety of mankind.


The philosophy of Aleksandr Dugin is one that is extremely important at this time and is about to dramatically change the entire direction of humanity.









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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.No joke.


For the past couple of months I have been working on my being in relation to this dynamic philosophy that has exploded upon the entirety of mankind. ...
Like I said before, the last refuge of the disabused socialist - fascism.
The philosophy of Aleksandr Dugin is one that is extremely important at this time and is about to dramatically change the entire direction of humanity..
Yeah! Back to the same old same old.
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Appreciate your interest & response to this important philosophical reality but I'm not really clear as to the reference or statement that you are attempting to convey.






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He's saying he's a fascist, and that there's nothing new in Dugin's ideas or views. And from a cursory glimpse, he's right. He supports an oligarchy, with a tyrant oligarchy at it's head. How you can see something good in this is beyond me.

You really are all over the map, trying to find some meaning for yourself, aren't you Bill. Try sitting still, and listening to your inner voice instead. And I'm not talking about some crazy inner voice that you can't dampen.
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That's great advice - really.

I understand what you mean. I only consider myself to be semi-self-conscious when I am able to see my thoughts or even stop my thoughts.

...I have been painfully successful as of late.


Far as Dugin's views, I have entered into a space where there is no right or wrong, good & bad, up & down, left or right.

Don't feel Dugin is just a clear-cut fascist. This is different. Eurasia. And, for me, I don't feel comfortable in using any labels at this time in my approach to this deeply important, quickly developing, philosophical issue.

From the review that consists as my original post -
According to Alexander Dugin, what is needed to break through this morass is a fourth ideology - one that will sift through the debris of the first three to look for elements that might be useful, but that remains innovative and unique in itself.




From Wikipedia:
Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin (Russian: Алекса́ндр Ге́льевич Ду́гин; born 7 January 1962) is a Russian political scientist known for his fascist views who calls to hasten the "end of times" with all out war. He has close ties with the Kremlin and the Russian military, having served as an advisor to State Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov and key member of the ruling United Russia party Sergei Naryshkin. Dugin was the leading organizer of the National Bolshevik Party, National Bolshevik Front, and Eurasia Party. He is the author of more than 30 books, among them Foundations of Geopolitics and The Fourth Political Theory.




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Well, these are interesting perspectives and very foreign to Western categories:
  • Those from either the Right or the Left who refuse American hegemony, ultra-liberalism, strategic Atlanticism, the domination of oligarchic and cosmopolitan financial elites, individualistic anthropology and the ideology of human rights, as well as typically Western racism in all spheres – economic, cultural, ethical, moral, biological and so on – and who are ready to cooperate with Eurasian forces in defending multipolarity, socio-economic pluralism, and a dialogue among civilizations, we consider to be allies and friends.
  • Those on the Right who support the United States, White racism against the Third World, who are anti-socialist and pro-liberal, and who are willing to collaborate with the Atlanticists; as well as those on the Left who attack Tradition, the organic values of religion and the family, and who promote other types of social deviations – both of these are in the camp of foe.
  • In order to win against our common enemy, we need to overcome the ancient hatreds between our peoples, as well as those between the obsolete political ideologies that still divide us. We can resolve such problems amongst ourselves after our victory.
  • At the present time, we are ALL being challenged, and ALL of us are being dominated by the forces of the prevailing global order.
  • Before we concern ourselves with these other issues, we first need to liberate ourselves
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Noticed this characteristic of you in your semi-associated topic. You seem to exist in, what I call, formatory thinking.


Formatory thinking is thinking almost exclusively in opposites.

That did not serve you well in your associated topic.

Don't think that will fit too well in this thread...


Don't think that will serve any one well when attempting to understand our rapidly changing environment as we collectively interact within this Fourth Political Philosophical Theory.








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Judging from your other posts I doubt if you understand what you are saying here.

Dugin is just another fascist.
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Cut and pasting the "best bits" of existing political orders into a "new way" is just a boring way for the uninspired like Dugin to make themselves look clever in front of the fucking stupid like Bill.

It's usually the Third Way as per Tony Blair and countless other mediocrities.
An unusually fun example was provided by Colonel Gaddafi in his hugely entertaining blockbuster "The Third International Theory"

The trick is to choose however many extant or historical polities you wish to pick from. Say for instance Athenian direct democracy, Rome's pre-imperial Cursus honorum, Plato's imaginary republic, and north Korea. That gives us N political theories to arse around with, now we therefore have the (N+1)th political thingy.

It's a formula, just as cheesy as the ones used to generate plots for cowboy movies and Mills and Boon romantic fiction.
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...this, this is a lil' different -

All content of Modernity - is Satanism and degeneration. Nothing is worth, everything is to be cleansed off. The Modernity is absolutely wrong -- science, values, philosophy, art, society, modes, patterns, "truths", understanding of Being, time and space. All is dead with Modernity. So it should end. We are going to end it.

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To tell the truth, war has broken out. War has been "broken out". That war, which is most important now, is the confrontation of two civilizations: the Land civilization, represented by Russia, and the Sea ​​civilization, represented by the US. It is a standoff between a trade-based system, and a heroic civilization, between Carthage and Rome, Athens and Sparta. However, at certain moments it reaches a “hot” stage. We are in this moment again. We are at the brink of the war, and also one exists. However, this war can become a major and, perhaps, the sole battle of our lives, at any time. As the major players – the US and Russia – are nuclear powers, the war involves all the nations of the Earth. It has every chance to become the end of humankind. Of course this is not guaranteed, but such a plot twist cannot be excluded.

~~~ Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin ~~~







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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.




...this, this is a lil' different -

All content of Modernity - is Satanism and degeneration. Nothing is worth, everything is to be cleansed off. The Modernity is absolutely wrong -- science, values, philosophy, art, society, modes, patterns, "truths", understanding of Being, time and space. All is dead with Modernity. So it should end. We are going to end it.

~~~ Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin ~~~



To tell the truth, war has broken out. War has been "broken out". That war, which is most important now, is the confrontation of two civilizations: the Land civilization, represented by Russia, and the Sea ​​civilization, represented by the US. It is a standoff between a trade-based system, and a heroic civilization, between Carthage and Rome, Athens and Sparta. However, at certain moments it reaches a “hot” stage. We are in this moment again. We are at the brink of the war, and also one exists. However, this war can become a major and, perhaps, the sole battle of our lives, at any time. As the major players – the US and Russia – are nuclear powers, the war involves all the nations of the Earth. It has every chance to become the end of humankind. Of course this is not guaranteed, but such a plot twist cannot be excluded.

~~~ Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin ~~~







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I wonder - are you capable of answering questions that are put to you, or are you simply a copy&Paste kind of guy?
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Bill Wiltrack wrote: ...this, this is a lil' different -

All content of Modernity - is Satanism and degeneration. Nothing is worth, everything is to be cleansed off. The Modernity is absolutely wrong -- science, values, philosophy, art, society, modes, patterns, "truths", understanding of Being, time and space. All is dead with Modernity. So it should end. We are going to end it.

~~~ Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin ~~~
It really isn't very different. there's nothing in the formula I gave you that says this is only for social democrats to use. Your guy here is just using negative statements about what to reject in place of positive ones about what to embrace. Who finds that unusual? We've all read Bob rants.
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