~ Trumpland; The Landscape of Politics in the Third Industrial Revolution ~

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its more what the democrats are than that the republicans are wonderful that i voted for trump. Who is vastly more corrupt the democrats are just too dangerous to american civil liberty.

[Hobbes' Choice]

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DONALD J TRUMP won fair and square. He did the impossible.
He won in an amazing fashion. His way.
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Clinton won 2.2% more of the popular vote, yet you say he won far and square.
Trump lied and insulted his way to the vote, yet you say he won fair and square.
Trump cheated his own campaign funds, paying the costs directly back into his own pocket, yet you say he won fair and square.
Trump has made the USA the laughing stock of the world.
The joke is on you boyo.


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They were both lying and insulting. I'd still prefer an unknown to a known mass-murderer and warmonger who was so eager for the power you could see it oozing out of her every pore.

He's not 'unknown'. He is a lying bankrupt arrogant, narcissist twat, who has taken office for personal gain.

[Hobbes' Choice]

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We have an electoral college so actually the most votes does not determine the winner for the Presidential race in America.



America is still held in the highest esteem throughout the world. We have the greatest Democracy, we are a huuuuge melting pot, and we follow the rule of law which includes the peaceful transfer of power in the Executive Branch of our government.

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No.
American is a laughing stock.
Your democracy is a poor copy cobbled together from the British model, and has failed.
Your democracy has failed since it has never brought a leader to power who is not filthy rich.
I feel sorry for your country
But mostly Bill I feel sorry for your silly volteface, as like a sheep you are now following behind this pig in a wig.
You should be ashamed of yourself and ashamed of what you laughingly call democracy.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Clinton won 2.2% more of the popular vote, yet you say he won far and square.
Trump lied and insulted his way to the vote, yet you say he won fair and square.
Trump cheated his own campaign funds, paying the costs directly back into his own pocket, yet you say he won fair and square.
Trump has made the USA the laughing stock of the world.
The joke is on you boyo.


[Edited by iMod]

They were both lying and insulting. I'd still prefer an unknown to a known mass-murderer and warmonger who was so eager for the power you could see it oozing out of her every pore.

He's not 'unknown'. He is a lying bankrupt arrogant, narcissist twat, who has taken office for personal gain.

Nothing to do with how he will perform as a politician. And you are talking to someone who has a lower view of politicians in general than most. Being a narcissist is part of the job description for them.
Hillary is a liar too. As someone who is anti-war, I'm surprised at you preferring Hillary-the-mass-murderer.

[Hobbes' Choice]

They were both lying and insulting. I'd still prefer an unknown to a known mass-murderer and warmonger who was so eager for the power you could see it oozing out of her every pore.

He's not 'unknown'. He is a lying bankrupt arrogant, narcissist twat, who has taken office for personal gain.

Nothing to do with how he will perform as a politician. .

It has everything to do with how he performs.
The man is incapable of telling a simple truth.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I'm an American. If Trump succeeds, America succeeds. And perhaps greater mankind will benefit.


President Donald Trump is a disruptive force.

Disruptive force is a major characteristic of elements of The Third Industrial Revolution.


The United States just voted for a clear populist. That populism is a major characteristic of the influence of digital communications in our modern times.

ALL elections, ALL celebrities are enveloped, influenced, and ultimately created from advancements in communication and entertainment. This will forever be the clear moment of a quantum shift in mankind's ability to interact with himself.


There are new rules and signposts to be determined.


This is a time of change. Radical change.

And none of us know how this radical change will reorganize our society; All societies.

That can be stressful and at times frightening for most people.


I consciously refuse to be an angry old man.

I've been fighting all my life.

Always uphill. Always outnumbered.



I want unity.

I live in America. I am witnessing the deep divisions that have been created ever more dramatically over the past 35 years or so.

That division has brought us to our knees and has brought our government to a halt.

Donald Trump comes in, with strong drive and a compelling personality - and he is a complete outsider in the active political arena.


No one knows how this will turn-out but -


I've opened my mind and I am excited to see how he will lead.


This has become an exciting time.

I feel hopeful.









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[Harbal]

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We have an electoral college so actually the most votes does not determine the winner for the Presidential race in America.



America is still held in the highest esteem throughout the world. We have the greatest Democracy, we are a huuuuge melting pot, and we follow the rule of law which includes the peaceful transfer of power in the Executive Branch of our government.






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Even his teeth are lying.

[FlashDangerpants]

No one knows how this will turn-out but -


I've opened my mind and I am excited to see how he will lead.


This has become an exciting time.

I feel hopeful.

After the Trump-U stuff has rolled along for a while, other scandals will take the foreground.

It will likely end with a huge row about whether the statute of limitations for a number of crimes of the 80s and 90s applies to impeachment hearings in the House. Whether the crime in question turns out to be statutory rape of a minor; laundering cocaine money through a casino; or something else entirely is another matter.

All that can be predicted with absolute certainty is that Bill will tell us he never wavered in his certain and supposedly "philosophical" opposition to the guy who said of Mexican immigrants as a group that some of them are probably decent people.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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No. With absolute certainty I will not ever revert my position in my respect to the "philosophical" opposition to the guy who said of Mexican immigrants as a group that some of them are probably decent people.

He said what he said.

What I am saying is that America voted Donald J Trump to be the philosophical leader of the free world. For whatever the reasons.

I am an American.

I want Donald J Trump to succeed.

I am opening up my mind and I willfully give him a chance to lead.

He has done amazing things with his life. Perhaps he will do amazing things for America and mankind in general.

Donald J Trump has been chosen to represent our values in this transition period into The Digital Revolution that we are a part of.



Soon I will be dead.

Soon Donald J Trump will be dead...along with all of us. We have a shared fate in that respect.


Donald J Trump came into an arena and conquered EVERY opponent.


He deserves he decency of being able to commit to his philosophy and to continue to implement his will.

As I said, this is a tremendous and exciting revolution that all of us are a part of. For some this brings fear & trepidation.

For others, like me, I am hopeful and excited to experience this change within my lifetime.






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[Lacewing]

He deserves he decency of being able to commit to his philosophy and to continue to implement his will.

As I said, this is a tremendous and exciting revolution that all of us are a part of. For some this brings fear & trepidation.

Has it occurred to you that Trump might be the catalyst for change EXACTLY BECAUSE OF THE VOICES AND ACTIONS OF OPPOSITION he has ignited??? How ELSE is a corrupt old-white-man-ego-entrenched-system supposed to be evolved?

Do you think that "leaders" -- no matter how they get there, and no matter what intoxication results in adding up votes for them -- deserve the right and power to fuck everything up for so many others? How will our archaic systems and attitudes ever evolve beyond THAT WHICH HUMANS IGNORANTLY CLING TO... UNLESS there are THOSE opposing it???

I actually see excitement and hopefulness in the massive collective roar that is screaming that this path is horrific and unacceptable (all over the world)! It seems to show how close the tipping point is for moving forward with broader ideas/solutions that are based on the realities of our current/modern world! Such transitions of great change and birth are bound to be painful. I don't want the world/life as-I-know-it to be horrifically wrenched apart, but how can I possibly give such a psychotic clown (or any of government's non-cooperating obstructionists) a "thumbs up" simply because some other people have? There's a saying: "When people show you who they are... believe them!" Many have SEEN (and recognized) repeatedly in vibrant technicolor, who Trump is (there is NO QUESTION or excuse!)... and there's no sane reason to pretend otherwise now -- as that's the sort of acquiescing behavior that can keep us all bogged down and unevolved.

Active and vocal opposition can occur with love and clarity. It looks like part of this opportunity is to teach/test us in doing that.

[FlashDangerpants]

For some this brings fear & trepidation.

For others, like me, I am hopeful and excited to experience this change within my lifetime.

Is that why your previously anti-Trump posts have been edited after the election and the mean bits about Trump removed? Are you trying to escape Trump's political enemies list?

Do you need an exit strategy from 'MURICA_Declining?

[Lacewing]

For some this brings fear & trepidation.

For others, like me, I am hopeful and excited to experience this change within my lifetime.

Is that why your previously anti-Trump posts have been edited after the election and the mean bits about Trump removed?

BILL! DID YOU DO THAT???!!!

[Dubious]

What I am saying is that America voted Donald J Trump to be the philosophical leader of the free world. For whatever the reasons.

Whatever Donald Trump is or isn't, "philosophical" he certainly is not. It's not required and may not even be preferable. Also, in spite of everyone shooting their mouths off as if they actually know what's going to happen based on nothing more than the vicious crap preceding the election, no one does including the likes of Sam Harris who was never loath to put in his two cent's worth on any subject which appeals to him. Who knows whether Trump isn't the best laxative for a corrupt establishment. Usually it takes an asshole to get rid of all the established assholes in the system. Until concluded by evidence it remains a "To be or not to be question". Will there be cleansing or a new and more dangerous kind of corruption?

ONE thing outstandingly clear is that politics in the West is changing radically and rapidly. By no criteria is it only a U.S. development. History is going to be extremely interesting but I don't want to be around for it. The old Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times" is more true now than it was in the last century; it's the kind of "interesting" I'd prefer to avoid.

[FlashDangerpants]

For some this brings fear & trepidation.

For others, like me, I am hopeful and excited to experience this change within my lifetime.

Is that why your previously anti-Trump posts have been edited after the election and the mean bits about Trump removed?

BILL! DID YOU DO THAT???!!!

Well, before the election, this post here ....
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:31 pm
Edited: by Bill Wiltrack on Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Arguably may not have express this sentiment...

I believe that as President, Donald J Trump will work to truly represent the American view of liberty & freedom.

This is an exciting time to be alive.


...a disruptive, interesting and challenging time.


But a time that will prove to be beneficial for all of mankind.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I may have stated somewhere before, I made a conscious decision in adapting my attitude.

I'm not going to die an old, angry, white man because someone won the Presidency of the United States.

I'm not sorry if my conscious evolution does not conform to your present positions.


I'm sittin here, wearing UNION MADE in America clothing - From my socks & underwear to all of my coats & jackets.

Hell, I even dry myself from my showers with UNION MADE t-shirts.

Bought a UNION MADE car. Shop at UNION AFFILIATED grocery stores, buy UNION MADE alcohol, and ALL my grocery items are UNION MADE.


Over thirty years I literally fought EVERY DAY to support fellow workers and human beings.


I've stood in front of trucks, men, and cars standing for my brothers.

I've risked my life & I've been arrested, lost jobs for standing up for what I believe in.


Now you're gunna sit there behind your phony moniker because you are afraid to put your legal name on your opinions, and tell me how to think?


I want America to succeed. I want ALL of humanity to succeed.

ALL OF US HERE are now peons in the cogs of an AMAZING revolution; The Digital Revolution. Also known as The Third Industrial Revolution.



None of us know what these changes will bring or where these changes will lead us. But I'm confident.


I'm confident, excited, and hopeful.

Perhaps Donald J Trump does not represent your world view...but perhaps he actually does.


Donald J Trump represents capitalism.



...so if you are telling me you are consciously frightened, you are anxious, or your just flat-out scared...I accept that.

Why would you question me? Why would you?


...actually I don't care if you don't see things the way I do. I actually prefer it.


I've stood on a fuckin island ALL of my life. Fought.


Hell I'm so fuckin insane from fighting I've fought here on this forum with ALL of the Moderators. Just for the fuck of it. Just cause I couldn't stop fighting. I've pushed EVERY boundary here to the absolute limit. To the point where I have been banned here. A number of times...


I've been banned from EVERY other philosophically related forums on the planet. EVERY ONE - FOR LIFE.

I've been banned from one of the largest non-philosophical forums in the internet.


That's where I find myself tonight.






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