Dualism of particle.

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As for quantization: Every sufficiently long evolution of consistent system gradually converges at a constant or periodic state. (Let us recall an incredibly overwhelming number of elementary events that may happen during one second - the Planck time / event is about 10 ^ -44 s in this context). Spectral analysis of periodic phenomena produces discrete values, so the lasting systems have a quantization encoded in its essence. Each real periodic plot is somehow maintained / supported from the "outside". Similarly, the evolution / being of the Universe (which is full of periodical phenomena – el.mag. waving, motion of electrons in atoms … or even quantum waving *) must be (as a real process) somehow subsidized / supported from the outside, from the "future". Let us return now to the quantization. Consider for example flute (analogy to quantum system): The manufacturer certainly does not need to solve the Stokes – Navier or Bernouli equations or air composition - he is only interesting in the stable (discrete) states generated by the constant flow of air. QM similarly mostly tries to find stationary states generated by certain medium flowing from the "future", without any particular interest about mentioned medium. Some necessary properties (analogical to air press and density - in case of flute) are given by physical constants (h, c...).

* By the way, I can see a strong analogy between electromagnetic waving - "photons" and the inertial motion. So I believe that inertial motion (and el.mag. waving) is a result of certain “support”, of a permanent addition (replication), “snowing” of matter at the Universe surface (the presence) from the "future".
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Why we cannot see the future? Here are some possibilities:
1) The light (generally information) cannot be spread to the all direction of space-time by the same way? In this case the time-space cannot be homogenous but it must have been somehow physically strongly polarized!!
2) Time axis does not exist? Whole physics is full of dependences on the time derivation thus on the difference between two time “snapshots” of reality. Certain time layers must then be real.
3) The future does not exist yet or it exists in another form/phase. If the future already had existed then the all reality must have been already (in advance) prepared and Universe must have been fully determined. Such world (where for example every decays of neutron is planned, already prepared) loses the sense!!
Why the history is solid?
It seems being rather strange (because of the common feeling of the motion), but we do not live in the history but in the uncertain, not finally fixed presence, in fact. History is a fixed base, pattern for the coming things and events. Its regular fixed structure is a guarantee of the causality, of physical laws and of constants conservation. If the History is not solid then the space and things cannot keep together.

As we accept the growth of the known Universe (without changing of Planck cells, of space properties) the space and matter (corrupt space) must come from the outside, from the “Future” only. Stem cells of the vacuum/physical space are coming from the "Future" and they are (slightly accidentally) glued at the historical "pattern".

It is necessary to use the logic for studying of the Universe structure and just the logic is able to lead out us from the hopeless status of present mainstream physics. The similar logic brings the models as (simply expressed): History is solid, Future is some "gas" and the presence is just solidifying/freezing/crystallizing" fluid :)

And this is the reason why we can not travel in time - history is solid, and the future does not exist yet :(
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Cerveny wrote:...
The similar logic brings the models as (simply expressed): History is solid, Future is some "gas" and the presence is solidifying/freezing/crystallizing" fluid :)
Or its a 3-D cellular automata of some kind with spacetime as the pattern produced by its running, a la Conways Game of Life.
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Regarding temperature: Yes, there is a universal space temperature. It is a temperature that causes decay of elementary particles. It is the temperature at which the half-life values of elementary particles are dependent on. Let us say neutrons: If temperature of space is equal to zero, they become stable, Universe would have had nowhere to grow, and it would have been done. Temperature "of Universe," as we see it (say, 4 Kelvin degrees) is just the current space / vacuum radiation... Just the fall of meta-temperature probably rise the beginning and condensation of Universe.

The last "lesson" of alternative physics will continue (after a week:)
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Two doubts have led me to think about the physics by different way. Firstly, it is an extreme distrust of all singularities and infinities – they can not be physically "implemented". Secondly, it is the mechanism of creation of particles and antiparticles from "nothing". These two doubts led me to naive model (http://cerveny.in/pic/hole.jpg). Later I realized that the situation is much more complex and also takes place in 4-d scene. Furthermore, I realized that the universe can not be exactly pre-determined (it would not make sense) and it must (little haphazardly) grow. If I further add a phenomenon of the spin I get picture of "empty" space as growing crystal where elementary particles are complex structural defects (some screw dislocations in 4-d) and appropriate antiparticles are their complementary defects. In any case, I feel black holes more like a "white" holes (*) and I expect different gravitational properties of antimatter, so that some analogy of Dirac’s procedure "calculates” protons/antiprotons :)

(*) see pls also: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=27446&start=15#p427338
(*) see pls also: viewtopic.php?p=451408#p451408
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Cerveny wrote:Dualism of elementary particle follows from properties of the vacuum (of physical space)
Particular/discrete/local properties are related with regular/discrete structure of the vacuum/aether and wave (field) properties are related with elastic properties of bindings/couplings between space elements. Elementary particles are structural defects in regular structure of physical empty space=vacuum=aether...
http://www.mathem.pub.ro/proc/bsgp-10/0KOSTRO.PDF:
I(n) one of these papers Einstein therefore wrote:
,,Physical space and ether are only different terms for the same thing; fields are
physical states of space.
”[14]
As we can see, at that time, Einstein considered the gravitational and elektromagnetic fields as elastically strained states of the physical space i.e. of the new ether. :)
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Cerveny wrote:Why we cannot see the future? Here are some possibilities:
1) The light (generally information) cannot be spread to the all direction of space-time by the same way? In this case the time-space cannot be homogenous but it must have been somehow physically strongly polarized!!
2) Time axis does not exist? Whole physics is full of dependences on the time derivation thus on the difference between two time “snapshots” of reality. Certain time layers must then be real.
3) The future does not exist yet or it exists in another form/phase. If the future already had existed then the all reality must have been already (in advance) prepared and Universe must have been fully determined. Such world (where for example every decays of neutron is planned, already prepared) loses the sense!!
Why the history is solid?
It seems to be rather strange (because of the common feeling of the motion), but we have lasting laws and properties of the vacuum (physical space) and of matter at all and we do not live in the history but in the uncertain, not in finally fixed presence, in fact. History is a fixed base for the coming things and events. Its regular fixed structure is a guarantee of the causality, of physical laws and of constants conservation. If the History is not solid then the space and things cannot keep together.

As we accept the growth of the known Universe (without changing of Planck cells, of space properties) the space and matter (corrupt space) must come from the outside, from the “Future” only. Stem cells of the vacuum/physical space are coming from the "Future" and they are (slightly accidentally) glued at the historical "pattern".

It is necessary to use the logic for studying of the Universe structure and just the logic is able to lead out us from the hopeless status of present mainstream physics. The similar logic brings the models as (simply expressed): History is solid, Future is some "gas" and the presence is some solidifying/freezing/crystallizing" fluid :)

And this is the reason why we can not travel in time - history is solid, and the future does not exist yet :(
My opinion about your ideas.

The quantum of light – photon -electron can carry information.
In which reference frame does the quantum of light – photon –electron exist ?
You wrote:
‘The future does not exist yet or it exists in another form/phase.’
I say:
‘The future exists in another form of space and time .
the future exists in pseudo-Euclidian spacetime – vacuum T=0K’
You wrote:
If the future already had existed then the all reality must
have been already (in advance) prepared and Universe must
have been fully determined.

I say:
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle doesn’t give
this opportunity to be fully.
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Particle or Wave?






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...we still don't know.






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No need to shout, Bill. You're quite right, though; no one knows. Here's a little thing Einstein said nearly 100 years ago: "according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"; something your graphic shows quite well.
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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Particle or Wave?
...we still don't know.
Particle or Wave?
It depends on behavior of quantum particle.
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The epilogue:

Finding the physical structure of empty physical space (vacuum) is only a technical problem - perhaps it is e.g. 4-D crystal of anti-hydrogen. Particular structural defects are elementary particles here... Things are not as difficult to can not be solved if we use common sense and logic by not stubborn way. But we must be aware of the limits of the human brain and consciousness. These limits mainly arise from our (not holistic) 3-D perceived causality. We seem to be doomed to skate on the surface of presence, in the time of "now". But… it seems that the brain has access to quantum processes, perhaps it is able to calculate, predict simple phenomena before they occur as a quantum computer…

I think the creatures that come after mankind will be able to penetrate mentioned interface (History/Future) by (more) controlled way and they will be able to somehow operate beyond this border, beyond our common causality (they will be able to leave presence by the similar way, as prehistoric creatures leave the water). People, i.e. those who have reached volitional liberation from external stimuli (for a while), and were thus permanently connected into the external "consciousness", are able to enjoy exemption from causality in a state of trance or ecstasy or contemplation. These people "hear" and better perceive "the Nature / Anima mundi / Gaia / Universe" and receive intuition workable for their limited brain. *)

I believe that all great thinkers (Euclid, Aristotle, Newton, Leibnitz, Euler ...) went through such "enlightenment" (much like e.g. the many Greenlandic shamans - read Knud Rasmussen - it needs a bit of deprivation, loneliness, motivation and the nature). All data and theories are already in the divine “internet” available - just tune it. (As a side effect come into account extrasensory sending of "personal cards" or DNA information or reading of ideas via the extreme media.) It all is limited by a capacity and performance of the particular brain of course.

The connection into a divine medium / universal consciousness / anima mundi, the breaching of the “prenatal” membrane of presence is not dramatic, it is joyful, liberating. It can be obtained spontaneously, for instance by the Schulz autogenic training or spiritual yoga exercises or by simple lonely stay in nature… They say you have opened third eye or sixth sense or you have gotten guardian angel... and intuition and common sense, of course.

Sorry for boring - but bottle is empty. :)

*) You only need to lower (during deep meditation) frequency of brain waves at certain/critical level in order to reach a resonance with (to tune) Divine/Natural Internet...
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The effect of uncertainty or inqisitive knowledge on a light duality experiment.is this quantum mechanics.if so it means there is a change in the state of consciousness .from a state of certainty as in normal every day consciousne of an observer when trying to see unkowns.this would prove that normal unenqiuring consciouse is absolute fact.by the act on looking in to an uncertainty by an observers consciousness this alters the state of the of the absolute meaning of whats being viewed.so the meaning of whats being viewed changes in accord with fact.either certain or uncertain.
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Bill Wiltrack wrote:Particle or Wave? ...
  1. particle
  2. wave
  3. both particle and wave
  4. neither particle nor wave
When you're not looking, it's 4.
When you're looking, it's either 1. or 2. depending on your measuring method.
It is never 3., as the waving chicken wire suggests.
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Ok bill why do the measuring methods make a difference.and if its 4 then they are in a never happen state.is that right.
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Tenses are an expression of the absolute fact state.to give fictional expression room to be in existance.
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