If God Exists, Is It Our God?

Mike Strand · **Posted:** Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:24 am

Chaz wrote:

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I met some pretty brave folks whilst I was sitting around having that evil stuff pumped through my body. I learned that beig old can be its own defence against cancer. Your bodily systems are so slow to repair that the cancer can be weak. This seems quite paradoxical, ,but no when you realise that cancer is really yourself attacking yourself.
Good luck to her and send her my best wishes

Interesting information -- I hadn't known this about the possible advantage of being old while having cancer. I will send Mom your best wishes, and best wishes to you as well!

Godfree · **Joined:** Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:01 am **Posts:** 890

Mike Strand wrote:

A thought well worth quoting, from Typist:

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Come to terms with the limits of knowing. If you can give up the dream that you know something nobody on earth knows, you no longer need atheism!

And if you can admit that hopes and dreams of others can be comforting to them, and if they don't force them upon you, you no longer have to resent either atheism or theism.

Theism comes in some pretty extreme forms ,
Wacko Texas , etc , cults , jihadists ,they will all claim to be ,
doing the lords work ,if you were a young girl in north Africa ,
your family would find comfort in the knowledge ,
that her clit will be cut out , to make her more desireable .
would you try and stop them , ???
would you consider it their right to practice their religion any way they want ,?
do you see some religious practices as insane ,
and that we as a species should step up to the plate ,
and demand ,sanity , reality ,honesty ,
religion is none of those ,,!!!

SpheresOfBalance · **Posted:** Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:53 am

As far as I'm concerned, I hate mans god, as he was made in mans image! All that any Bible, Koran or otherwise is good for is finding the love for your fellow man, if you can't find that within it's pages, it's useless, except as kindling.

But I believe that there could be a creator, just as well as not. But as to 'it' taking special interest in any particular thing that 'it's' created, well that's for children, right? If you want to see the creator, look at my avatar, that could be said to be the hand of the creator, so to speak.

You know I love when I'm sleeping as I do not have to face the stupidity of mankind's constant waring, competing, destroying, dominating, with pretty or deadly elements. These are his micro-dramas that are all merely a means to run from his inevitable fate, as if they can actually 'help??' Mankind is an extremely pathetic animal.

I do not fear 'death' as it's merely sleeping an endless sleep, and you'll never be the wiser. But I do fear the act of dying because I'll be aware that in a few minutes I shall cease to be capable of calling the shots as to my life; I'll have no say in the matter.

Could this be why man is so pathetic in my eyes; that he creates all this fuss merely because he wants to have a say in the final matter?

Life is an extremely beautiful gift of possibilities, I look at all that is the universe and marvel at it's miraculousness. I absolutely love watching hummingbird wings, woodpecker beaks and fuzzy bees a buzzing. Yes all life is utterly beautiful while it lasts, be absorbed by it, let it envelope you, as in it's beauty and warmth you shall find your salvation!

Godfree · **Joined:** Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:01 am **Posts:** 890

SOB , "but I believe there could be a creator"
well don't stop there , fill in the missing pieces for us ,
what form does this creator take , how did it come to be ,,?????
can it manipulate things in the real world ,???
what was it's role in reality as we know it today , what was it's contribution,
how did it do it , where does it get it's power from ,???
fuel , anything that does things uses fuel ,
so why would a god/creator be any different ,???
all powerful , would require all fuel ,lots of energy being transfered ,
but let me guess ,, your prepared to throw science out the window,
in order for this creator model to be accepted ,????

SpheresOfBalance · **Posted:** Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:21 am

Godfree wrote:

SOB , "but I believe there could be a creator"
well don't stop there , fill in the missing pieces for us ,
what form does this creator take , how did it come to be ,,?????
can it manipulate things in the real world ,???
what was it's role in reality as we know it today , what was it's contribution,
how did it do it , where does it get it's power from ,???
fuel , anything that does things uses fuel ,
so why would a god/creator be any different ,???
all powerful , would require all fuel ,lots of energy being transfered ,
but let me guess ,, your prepared to throw science out the window,
in order for this creator model to be accepted ,????

As with most, you place your own thoughts into my words, as your condescending tone exudes your presumption, as if absolutely true. I said, "...there could be a creator, just as well as not." pay attention!

Godfree · **Joined:** Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:01 am **Posts:** 890

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Godfree wrote:

SOB , "but I believe there could be a creator"
well don't stop there , fill in the missing pieces for us ,
what form does this creator take , how did it come to be ,,?????
can it manipulate things in the real world ,???
what was it's role in reality as we know it today , what was it's contribution,
how did it do it , where does it get it's power from ,???
fuel , anything that does things uses fuel ,
so why would a god/creator be any different ,???
all powerful , would require all fuel ,lots of energy being transfered ,
but let me guess ,, your prepared to throw science out the window,
in order for this creator model to be accepted ,????

As with most, you place your own thoughts into my words, as your condescending tone exudes your presumption, as if absolutely true. I said, "...there could be a creator, just as well as not." pay attention!

So there could be a creator , but you have no idea what form it comes in ,
don't want to put your head on the block for me to chop off ,??
you say there could be a creator ,
HOW , if you think it's possible ,, how is it possible ,
there could be a creator ,
No there couldn't , that is a real response ,
for you to suggest there could be such a thing ,usually means you want such a thing to be true , but you just don't have the facts or figures to support the silly notion , so you slide out and fudge around it ,
could , ,,no ,, could not ,,,if you are going to make claims ,
then you should be prepared to back them up ,
so in my humble/arrogant opinion , no there could not be a creator ,Why , because it's impossible ,,
and until you or anybody else can prove otherwise ,
reality is , no there could not have been a creator ,,!!!!

SpheresOfBalance · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:45 am

Godfree,

You know I really love to read your presumptions, they tend to make me laugh really hard. I can feel the endorphins surging.

Thanks!

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, I hate mans god, as he was made in mans image! All that any Bible, Koran or otherwise is good for is finding the love for your fellow man, if you can't find that within it's pages, it's useless, except as kindling.

As if there could ever be anything other than a God of man's conception!

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Godfree,

You know I really love to read your presumptions, they tend to make me laugh really hard. I can feel the endorphins surging.

Thanks!

In other words. Stick your fingers in your ears and scrweem!
Why not actually answer Godfree's questions.

The idea of a creator solves no problem and answers no question.

So how could there be one?

Godfree · **Joined:** Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:01 am **Posts:** 890

chaz wyman wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Godfree,

You know I really love to read your presumptions, they tend to make me laugh really hard. I can feel the endorphins surging.

Thanks!

In other words. Stick your fingers in your ears and scrweem!
Why not actually answer Godfree's questions.

The idea of a creator solves no problem and answers no question.

So how could there be one?

I agree Chaz , we should make an honest and open attempt to answer ,
I am an open book far more than most ,
sharing your thoughts and beliefs is not easy for some people ,
especially if their belief system includes ,
mythology , superstition , religion ,or any other hocus pocus nonsense ,
it's very hard to try and be an intellectual , spouting nonsense ,
if you want to impress somebody with the size of your intellect ,
imaginary beings with imaginary powers ,
doesn't really do it ,,!!!!!

SpheresOfBalance · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:28 am

Godfree wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Godfree,

You know I really love to read your presumptions, they tend to make me laugh really hard. I can feel the endorphins surging.

Thanks!

In other words. Stick your fingers in your ears and scrweem!
Why not actually answer Godfree's questions.

The idea of a creator solves no problem and answers no question.

So how could there be one?

I agree Chaz , we should make an honest and open attempt to answer ,
I am an open book far more than most ,
sharing your thoughts and beliefs is not easy for some people ,
especially if their belief system includes ,
mythology , superstition , religion ,or any other hocus pocus nonsense ,
it's very hard to try and be an intellectual , spouting nonsense ,
if you want to impress somebody with the size of your intellect ,
imaginary beings with imaginary powers ,
doesn't really do it ,,!!!!!

I won't spend, what obviously shall be wasted time, and instead laugh, for the following two reasons:

Godfree wrote:

don't want to put your head on the block for me to chop off

Godfree wrote:

for you to suggest there could be such a thing ,usually means you want such a thing to be true

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Godfree wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

In other words. Stick your fingers in your ears and scrweem!
Why not actually answer Godfree's questions.

The idea of a creator solves no problem and answers no question.

So how could there be one?

I agree Chaz , we should make an honest and open attempt to answer ,
I am an open book far more than most ,
sharing your thoughts and beliefs is not easy for some people ,
especially if their belief system includes ,
mythology , superstition , religion ,or any other hocus pocus nonsense ,
it's very hard to try and be an intellectual , spouting nonsense ,
if you want to impress somebody with the size of your intellect ,
imaginary beings with imaginary powers ,
doesn't really do it ,,!!!!!

I won't spend, what obviously shall be wasted time, and instead laugh, for the following two reasons:

Godfree wrote:

don't want to put your head on the block for me to chop off

Godfree wrote:

for you to suggest there could be such a thing ,usually means you want such a thing to be true

It is no laughing matter but SoB really wants there to be a god.

Godfree · **Joined:** Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:01 am **Posts:** 890

Wants there to be a god or ,,
wants people to accept that the fantasy in his head , is real ,
often religious people say something like ,"thats for me and god to know" ,
or words to that effect ,in other words ,
only sob and god can know the essence and truth to his godlyness ,
that only god should judge us ,
he who is without sin should cast the first stone,
like a persons relationship with god is sacred , and we are not qualified ,
to pass judgment on such a thing ,,???
basically , back off , religion is in an impossible position to defend ,
so instead they will challenge our ability to know ,
to question our sources and attack the question rather than ,
admit that dreaming about gods and heaven ,
don't make it real ,,,!!!

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Godfree wrote:

Wants there to be a god or ,,
wants people to accept that the fantasy in his head , is real ,
often religious people say something like ,"thats for me and god to know" ,
or words to that effect ,in other words ,
only sob and god can know the essence and truth to his godlyness ,
that only god should judge us ,
he who is without sin should cast the first stone,
like a persons relationship with god is sacred , and we are not qualified ,
to pass judgment on such a thing ,,???
basically , back off , religion is in an impossible position to defend ,
so instead they will challenge our ability to know ,
to question our sources and attack the question rather than ,
admit that dreaming about gods and heaven ,
don't make it real ,,,!!!

That would imply that he is merely appealing to his own consciousness.
In fact he is making a god of his own construction - the same as everyone else.

SpheresOfBalance · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:13 pm

Godfree wrote:

Wants there to be a god or ,,
wants people to accept that the fantasy in his head , is real ,
often religious people say something like ,"thats for me and god to know" ,
or words to that effect ,in other words ,
only sob and god can know the essence and truth to his godlyness ,
that only god should judge us ,
he who is without sin should cast the first stone,
like a persons relationship with god is sacred , and we are not qualified ,
to pass judgment on such a thing ,,???
basically , back off , religion is in an impossible position to defend ,
so instead they will challenge our ability to know ,
to question our sources and attack the question rather than ,
admit that dreaming about gods and heaven ,
don't make it real ,,,!!!

It would seem that you think me, as the adolescents that would attempt to goad me into answering, such as some others here that tend to suck their hat to attention, in fact you can only respectfully request! I'll be at the standby!

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