When it is universally accepted that something is right or wrong, that is an objective moral value placed upon that knowledge.
Values appear in you, they are sourced in you, and you is not 'human' ...you are the subject of knowingness to become known .
Subject being the I Am
You are the unknown knower subject of everything objectively known via the knowings made manifest appearing as conceptual knowledge. You are not the knowledge, you are the knower of knowledge.
If you were the knowledge you would have direct experience of what a human is, but human is just an idea, just like any concept. All you know is this immediate ''knowing presence'' via the senses. Senses that are the same tangible experiences present in every single sentient creature alike and yet are intangible even to it's own capacity to be tangible.
If there is no God...then one cannot assert it is immoral to kill an innocent child. That it does appear to be a moral issue, evident in the human being's consciousness expressed through the body vehicle ...suggests there is a moral rational conscientious rational being existing as and through the human body...Notice though, that this rational moral conscientious mind is sourced in the human expression only - ??thedoc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:16 am If you assert that is is immoral to torture and kill a child than you must also assert that it is immoral to torture and kill anyone, and to extend it further it is immoral to torture and kill anything. What did you eat for your meal, even if you are vegan you had to torture and kill something alive to survive. So it comes down to the question is it moral to survive?
As for killing and eating animals...How do you think the creator of everything in the universe is going to feed itself? ...notice how animals and plants can only feed off of other plants and animals, in other words, life feeds off of itself....but for human consciousness being made in the image of God...see here..https://www.openbible.info/topics/eating_animals
The creator of a physical universe being the absolute law maker, can ultimately decide how to run it's created universe as the ultimate custodian and author of it..it can also change those physical laws when ever it chooses to do so.....as we've already seen in cases such as spontaneous healing where a cancer tumor will completely disappear without medical intervention or explanation.
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