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putting aside the demands of conformity to a religion or naturalism or atheism what is everybody's duty and responsibility to each other regardless of their convictions?
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osgart wrote:putting aside the demands of conformity to a religion or naturalism or atheism what is everybody's duty and responsibility to each other regardless of their convictions?
Being absolutely open and honest.
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Everybody can`t possibly be responsible to or for everybody else.
Most of the 7+billion people alive today don`t know anything about one another.
The only people you can feel anything toward are those you`re personally aware of in some way - even if it`s just a long shot of a group glimpsed on television - and the less you're aware of them, the less you can feel for them.
In theory, all people should respect all other people, but we can't be impelled or compelled to do that.
If we managed that, universally, Utopia wouldn't be too hard to work out.
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Treating others as they themselves would like to be treated
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I think universals are ideals and never truly applicable in reality unless extremely wide-ranging, eg. we are all made largely from water, we all have have nervous systems etc. Yet diet, beliefs, wants, needs, likes, repellents etc is individual, eg. even very healthy foods can harm those with allergies.

The desire to create conformity - to find universals - ultimately comes from the need for societies to coordinate, ideally to the benefit of the most people most of the time. So laws are constructed with utilitarian (or, today, capitalist) intent, which tends not to be good for the poor, minorities or those with minority interests or needs. There is an acceptance that collateral damage is inevitable when we embrace or enforce any universal.
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well there's policy, and governance but do we all have responsibilities to the outer circles of our lives personally and their welfare?.

only so much time in life.

this reality will always be a struggle against wars and crimes.

perhaps their is a better system of government yet to be invented.

It seems we are on a runaway train with the world's nations And the power of technology.

to stop humans from destroying ourselves completely we have to create security and peace for the poor. perhaps give the poor a new form of money that ensures they don't go homeless. while retaining our current currency.idk

perhaps a soulful spiritual enlightenment and awareness is needed.

how would we get ourselves off of a money system?

create a new meaning value for money. like a money creation and distribution system based on a qualifying moral value . :|
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osgart wrote:to stop humans from destroying ourselves completely ...
This is a common misunderstanding. "We" are not destroying ourselves. A wealthy minority are effectively killing off most of the poor people, or at least letting them go. This has always been the way in nature with all the competing interests. We humans thought we were above nature, but all we managed is to buffer its effects for a while.

To be fair, that was a mighty achievement, but it wasn't sustainable. Climate change studies were not available when the burning of fossil fuels first helped to power civilisations. No one knew any better and by the time they did, the vested interests were too powerful to reign in, thus our current issues.

The moral of that story appears to be: be careful who you entrust with great power.
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osgart wrote:putting aside the demands of conformity to a religion or naturalism or atheism what is everybody's duty and responsibility to each other regardless of their convictions?
If I assume that by "everybody" you mean all homo sapien sapiens, then our responsibility is to maximize the experience of existence which is the same as to say to maximize love.

It is harder when one takes off the "if". Personally I am a bit of a mammalian chauvinist but that position is not well founded.

I speculate that a more solid foundation could be found by tracing the words duty and responsibility to the word "ought" and then to our mammalian experience of love as the object of the ought by definition and then to see mammalian biology as only an example of the kind of Biolo goes that can experience love.

Then the answer is derivable by the tautology of love with what we ought to do.
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Self-interest which includes attempting to gain the goodwill of others through cooperation.
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To strive for the attainment of the perfection of divinity is our first duty and should be our highest ambition. Our duty and responsibility to each other will naturally follow.
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I agree 109% reflex. to seek the divine will and strive for it's attainment.

And what is divine will?
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Everybody sees other bodies die, but because no one can imagine the state of death, and because there are no first-hand reports of what it’s like to be dead, deep down inside, people really don’t believe in death. Not for themselves. A permanence is attached to the transitory self from this deep down knowing.

Everybody believes the world before their birth is just a story, even though intellectual inference indicates that stories have been made from what really happened, and so from an inference and evidence, everybody believes the events of the past occurred, although inferences vary.

The inference of nothingness from something, or death, is based on the observed evidence that life eventually leaves a body.

However, in a universe where the sum total of matter and energy cannot be added to or subtracted from, everybody wonders, where do we go?
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Yep. That's what it all points to.
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Death is merely the cessation of life but the body carries on existing long after. All physical objects experience change
and transformation which is something that occurs at the quantum level even if it cannot actually be directly observed
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:D

That's funny, and you know what I mean
Since the funny doesn't relate to
The content of your edit.
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