Good Friday

[Belinda]

Dontaskme wrote:

The mirror of truth cannot lie, it is wholly consistent and without contradiction.

The Bible is not "the mirror of truth" The Bible is not even a mirror of truth

[Dontaskme]

Dontaskme wrote:

The mirror of truth cannot lie, it is wholly consistent and without contradiction.

The Bible is not "the mirror of truth" The Bible is not even a mirror of truth

Yes it is.

The Bible is God's word which is reliant and just. In that we trust because God does not lie.

Why else do we take an oath in the court of justice with our hand firmly planted on the Bible, we do it in respect and honor of God's promise for justice and fairness for all.

God who is all knowing awareness is the only knower there is.

“The truth was a mirror in the hands of God. It fell, and broke into pieces. Everybody took a piece of it, and they looked at it and thought they had the truth.”― Rumi

Who's truth are we to trust or believe? do we trust the pieces of truth or do we trust the whole absolute truth? I know which one I'll choose. I'll trust the truth of God's word.
The Bible is a conceptual representation of God's grace and unconditional love and forgiveness...a precise instruction book for how to live a good and just living.. but not in an authoritarian way..God doesn't demand you to live your life a certain way, that's up to your conscience to decide what way you want to live. God already knows you will choose his way, but allows you to go your own way knowing you'll always favor the trustworthy way which is his... you can trust in him because you have witnessed him for yourself. You were physically shown by the example set as and through Jesus Christ...but not a literal Jesus...for Jesus was just the physical manifestation of all knowing awareness God as a man, but not a literal man...God's story, his story aka history is being revealed every single moment of life as this living Jesus / Consciousness.


The Bible teaches that we are not to swear by anything or anyone when we make a promise. ... Jesus said, ''Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God''

[Harbal]

The Bible is not "the mirror of truth" The Bible is not even a mirror of truth

If you're going to converse with Dontaskme you are just going to have to get used to ill chosen metaphors.

[Belinda]

Dontaskme wrote:

The Bible is God's word which is reliant and just. In that we trust because God does not lie.

The Bible is the words of an assortment of human beings.

Why else do we take an oath in the court of justice with our hand firmly planted on the Bible, we do it in respect and honor of God's promise for justice and fairness for all.

Historical reasons. I think that you can now affirm you are telling hte truth without using or referring to The Bible.

God who is all knowing awareness is the only knower there is.

So it is said. However God does not exist.

“The truth was a mirror in the hands of God. It fell, and broke into pieces. Everybody took a piece of it, and they looked at it and thought they had the truth.”― Rumi

Rumi is saying that the truth is a (metaphorical) mirror. Do you really think that Rumi believed in the sort of God that has hands and can handle mirrors?

[Dontaskme]

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The Bible is the words of an assortment of human beings.

Rumi is saying that the truth is a (metaphorical) mirror. Do you really think that Rumi believed in the sort of God that has hands and can handle mirrors?

No, but it certainly appears as though he has in the form of a ''human hand'' that you yourself have certified @ # post above.

[Harbal]

The Bible is the words of an assortment of human beings.

That is an undeniable fact, Belinda. And we must all know how unreliable, fallible, dishonest, mistaken, naive, etc. people can be. Then there's the matter of how language changes over time: a word or phrase written hundreds of years ago is hardly likely to retain it's meaning in a modern translation. Yet, when it comes to the Bible, some are prepared to abandon the level of scepticism they employ in their everyday lives, as if there were two completely separate sets of rules governing reality.

[Dontaskme]

''God who is all knowing awareness is the only knower there is.''

So it is said. However God does not exist.

God /Awareness exists. Separation from God does not exist. Not that the reflection can ever separate itself from the mirror, that's just impossible.

Waking up from the dream of separation and realising that we are always infinite meta consciousness before a human mind consciousness, our entire outlook on life changes to understand that this life is only a waking dream of infinite consciousness.

[Harbal]

God /Awareness exists.

God / the laws of nature/physics exists. It all depends on what you attach the label "God" to.

[Dontaskme]

Then there's the matter of how language changes over time: a word or phrase written hundreds of years ago is hardly likely to retain it's meaning in a modern translation.

A few minor variant changes made to the manuscript is hardly going to alter the overall truth of what the Bible is actually pointing to.

As for language changing, can the word apple change into anything other than apple, can apple ever be orange for example?

Yes, there are different ways of writing the word apple ..for example; apple written in Spanish probably won't mean anything to someone who doesn't understand or speak Spanish language. But when an apple is physically placed in front of their eyes, they will know exactly what apple means, that meaning can never change.

[Dontaskme]

God /Awareness exists.

God / the laws of nature/physics exists. It all depends on what you attach the label "God" to.

All descriptive labels are only pointers pointing to the ineffable God. How else can reality be known/ revealed?

But let's not mistake the signpost for the real thing. The real food is not found on the menu card, it's in the actual experience of it.

A Rose by any other name is still a rose Harbal, come on!

[Harbal]

A few minor variant changes made to the manuscript is hardly going to alter the overall truth of what the Bible is actually pointing to.

The retention of truth is entirely dependent on "the truth" being present in the first place. In the case of the Bible there is nothing to resort to other than pure faith.

As for language changing, can the word apple change into anything other than apple,

In principle, yes, of course it can.

[Harbal]

But let's not mistake the signpost for the real thing. The real food is not found on the menu card, it's in the actual experience of it.

If I went into McDonald's and saw dragon burger on the menu would you think it unreasonable of me to question it?

[Dontaskme]

A few minor variant changes made to the manuscript is hardly going to alter the overall truth of what the Bible is actually pointing to.

The retention of truth is entirely dependent on "the truth" being present in the first place. In the case of the Bible there is nothing to resort to other than pure faith.

no one single separate truth can exist apart from the whole truth, and is why we say I promise to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth when under oath for justice and freedom in a court of law.

The laws of the universe does not require faith...they're living right here and now as evidenced in your very being.



''As for language changing, can the word apple change into anything other than apple''

In principle, yes, of course it can.

Huh, then if it can change then an apple would never have been an apple would it? ..the apple would have been a lie.

[Dontaskme]

But let's not mistake the signpost for the real thing. The real food is not found on the menu card, it's in the actual experience of it.

If I went into McDonald's and saw dragon burger on the menu would you think it unreasonable of me to question it?

You'd only question what is incompatible with your own truth because it's natural to want authenticity in your reality, you want your reality to be true for you...a reality to be something real and not artificially fabricated.

I'm talking on your level of thinking now Harbal...just to let you know, I'm not talking at the meta level here.

[Dontaskme]

''A few minor variant changes made to the manuscript is hardly going to alter the overall truth of what the Bible is actually pointing to.''

The retention of truth is entirely dependent on "the truth" being present in the first place. In the case of the Bible there is nothing to resort to other than pure faith.

The truth of the Bible could not have been put into words if the truth had not been present in the first place. Where else do you think the inspiration came from? surely not from inside a can of baked beans..?


Take heed...

Every person has the truth of their own lives. However, the truth of one life is not the truth. It is only a piece of the truth. A part truth is a whole lie. For the truth to be the complete truth, it has to be the truth of & for every person on the planet, & everything in the universe as we share in one collective universally shared experience in this physical reality of life. Every person has a piece of the mirror living their individual lives. The pieces are us while the complete unbroken mirror is the universe itself. Everything in the universe is only us in universal reflection of self. Thinking you are separate from the universe is you taking a piece of the mirror of truth and calling it the complete truth, when it is not. It is a compete lie.

So what ever you do in the mirror, the mirror mirrors back to you the exact same image you put in...because it cannot lie, just as a camera's eye cannot lie.

The universe will always give you exactly what you desire unconditionally so. And that's what the meaning of the word love really means.

Conditions are lies.

Unconditional love is the only true love. Can humans love unconditionally? ...hardly, and that is when love becomes a filthy word, it's tainted love. We suffer for that kind of love ..because it's not true love.