I'm sorry, doc, I couldn't resist.thedoc wrote: Thankyou, can I put that on my resume?
I'm sure you won't take it seriously.
You surely can't mean me.There are a few that I enjoy reading, but most are dross.
I'm sorry, doc, I couldn't resist.thedoc wrote: Thankyou, can I put that on my resume?
You surely can't mean me.There are a few that I enjoy reading, but most are dross.
No, I do sometimes find your posts entertaining, and meaningless which I'm sure is what you intend.Harbal wrote:You surely can't mean me.thedoc wrote: There are a few that I enjoy reading, but most are dross.
I'll win you over yet, doc.thedoc wrote:
No, I do sometimes find your posts entertaining,
No, that's accidental.and meaningless which I'm sure is what you intend.
Why don't you be specific as to what you are trying to win me over to. At least Henry was honest about inviting me to the couch forum, and then welcoming me to the dark side.Harbal wrote:I'll win you over yet, doc.thedoc wrote:
No, I do sometimes find your posts entertaining,
I've heard it said,thedoc wrote:I should really start taking my own advice, "when in the company of fools, keep your own council".
I'm just waiting for you to realise what a nice, friendly fellow I am.thedoc wrote: Why don't you be specific as to what you are trying to win me over to.
I'd rather wait and see how things go before I invite you onto my couch.At least Henry was honest about inviting me to the couch forum,
I don't think thedoc deserved that, Immanuel, you should apologise to him before you lose your only friend.Immanuel Can wrote:
"Arguing with a fool is like wrestling with a pig;
You both get up dirty, but the pig enjoys it."
There is certainly no shortage of fools on this forum to argue with. If we are inclined, it will keep the Christians busy arguing with the atheists fools, for a long time.Immanuel Can wrote:I've heard it said,thedoc wrote:I should really start taking my own advice, "when in the company of fools, keep your own council".
"Arguing with a fool is like wrestling with a pig;
You both get up dirty, but the pig enjoys it."
...thus those enlightened by god and scripture have spoken. I won't ask what god has done for you - tragically that part is obvious - but what you have done to god through lies and subterfuge. God shrinks immeasurably in the way you defend it. You have no friend in Jesus either who hated hypocrites more than anything!thedoc wrote:There is certainly no shortage of fools on this forum to argue with. If we are inclined, it will keep the Christians busy arguing with the atheists fools, for a long time.
Are you familiar with Shelley's elegy "Adonais" on the death of John Keats? The last four stanzas in this very long poem describes a longing for eternity as hardly any other poems do...Belinda wrote:The Ode to a Nightingale, BTW, is a pathway towards the eternal and the longing for it, like Starry Night, and the sacrifice of Jesus points to eternity and its infinite empathy.
It is interesting that Ode to a Grecian Urn uses visual imagery for eternity, while Ode to a Nightingale uses mainly sound, specifically bird song, although the visuals are also present.The quoted poetic line is from the Keats poem, Ode On A Grecian Urn, btw.
This is the rest of what usually comprises the reference, which is rather important to the meaning.
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
O Attic shape! Fair attitude! with bredeBelinda wrote:The doc wrote:
It is interesting that Ode to a Grecian Urn uses visual imagery for eternity, while Ode to a Nightingale uses mainly sound, specifically bird song, although the visuals are also present.The quoted poetic line is from the Keats poem, Ode On A Grecian Urn, btw.
This is the rest of what usually comprises the reference, which is rather important to the meaning.
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
Keats's poetry involves all the senses. The great use of poetry is that it evokes and includes all or any of the sensory systems in its imagery. Poetry's sound forms can imitate music.
Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
All the sensory modalities are bound together solely by beauty. As Spinoza said, the mind is the idea of the body.
Dubious, it's a pity to dissect a poem . However I am intrigued by Life, like a dome of many-colour'd glass,
Stains the white radiance of Eternity,
and guess that Shelley must have been aware of the colour spectrum. I wonder if the colour spectrum analogy would help some seekers among metaphysics to understand eternity.
Same with any abstract concept, isn't it? Ugliness, Falseness, Fatness, Boredom etc.Walker wrote: Keats is saying that beauty is a timeless concept, or principle, that exists every moment, even though people come and go. Same with truth.
- Not every thought is a concept.Harbal wrote:Same with any abstract concept, isn't it? Ugliness, Falseness, Fatness, Boredom etc.Walker wrote: Keats is saying that beauty is a timeless concept, or principle, that exists every moment, even though people come and go. Same with truth.
What if I happen to think the urn is ugly and I'm bored with it?Walker wrote:- Ugliness, Falseness, Fatness, Boredom etc. do not describe the urn.
Then neither is beauty.- Ugliness, Falseness, Fatness, Boredom etc. are not ever-present.
Truth in general or truth about something in particular.- Other than the beauty of the urn, only truth does not change.
What on earth does that mean?- Other than the beauty of the urn, only truth is ever-present.