Dontaskme wrote:
'' Such a contradictory way to design us. What would be the point of that? ''.. well it's just another gift, but this one comes with an added twist, we have to unravel...not wanting it to be made too easy for us...else it might get an extremely boring game.
So Life's a boring game that He's created, as a gift? That He wants to pep up , for us, by having us discover it's point? Like an escape room scenario? Or a reality game show 'I'm Just God Fodder... Get me out if here!' ('I've sort if used that line before ... Sorry for being boring enough to repeat it. You may not have seen it and it possibly justify's the boring element in God's design, when he made me.)[/quote]
So in order to play this game and work out the answer, where are rules, usually found on the box? I've read the Bible and the Qu'ran, and I'm afraid they don't count. They're not particularly clear or consistent. The Ramayana and Bhagvadgita are pretty good, but they're just action movie treatments (if we're continuing along the metaphorical route of discussion) and the Torah is pretty much just the Old Testament of the Bible, in Hebrew.
So please continue to be patient with us who have yet to understand how to play this game.
Dontaskme wrote:So thanks for the tip, but I'm through with second hand knowledge,
What was secondhand knowledge? What I said? I thought I was just asking questions about what else might be possible. That was all from my enquiring mind. I have no idea what 'practising' (is this even possible?) learned atheists might posit.[/quote]
Or were you referring to the Independent article? I just thought you might find that an entertaining read.
Dontaskme wrote:I prefer to get my knowledge straight from the sources mouth. ..that quiet innocent , silent little voice in my head screaming look at me, look at me, I want to be heard now... the one I generally take no notice of, but now I'm in there all the time sucking the life force out of the poor little thing..
Silent voices? Isn't that a contradiction in terms.
My brother has the same thing... except his voices aren't silent. He's been diagnosed schizophrenic. That's absolutely true, I am not being sarcastic. He absolutely believes in everything he is being told and it took him years to accept that, whilst not everyone can hear those voices, he mustn't blame himself for their lack of acceptance of what those voices are telling him, or that he need force their messages on others.
It's not been as successful for him as it may have been for Jack Kerouac, but he's best described as a kindly, 'religious' person, and a functioning schizophrenic.
Dontaskme wrote:If we are being good to each other just to survive..that means we have created our self, if we believe there is some one here that has to survive...then only that sense of self can be made to be responsible for it's own creation. Nothing is of God's fault...because God is faultless, innocent and pure, depicted by Jesus the man, did you not believe that Jesus was telling the truth?
Our sense of self must be a perception. If we create all perception, then yes. But it's amassed from data we receive. I receive no such data from God to perceive Him at all, other than as a imaginative construct we have created.
We are self propagating and made from stardust, or so I'm told. Can't explain much further back than that... but God still strikes me as a contradictory construct.
How can nothing be God's fault? Surely EVERYTHING is God's fault... or responsibility, if you will, if you are a believer?
With respect to Jesus, I'm a little dubious. Too much History Channel programming, I suspect. casting doubt on destroyed testimonies, or gospels, and even 'evidence' of several contenders to the post of messiah, around at the time, from gathered testimonies of Romans, Jews and other learned scribes who may just have been passing through. So I'm not entirely convinced.
In a world where Trump can be elected President, then it's not impossible that Jesus could be 'the Messiah', but it's hardly proven. The whole narrative of the need for a messiah itself has yet to be proven, as we aren't quite all decided on 'God', are we?
We appear to have come full circle here on a parting of ways for what might, or might not, be true. But I'm here, patiently waiting for any real confirmation, whilst I do my bit on the survival front.
Dontaskme wrote:So then if there is a sense of other, then of course we are going to do what ever it takes to defend that one. Even though there's not actually anything there to defend, except an idea.
Is the 'other' referred to in this context, man or God???
(Short pause for long thought)
It's God! It has to be... and yes, he's just an idea.
Dontaskme wrote:So then, now we have a sense of ''other'' in the story of 'me'..
We do???
Dontaskme wrote: .. it appears I have to defend my desire to live, I simply cannot die, even though Jesus promised us that we cannot die..., we were just being pussy's thinking that we had to defend our self from our own created self...and if that means killing someone else so that I may live... then that's exactly what I have to do...no thought for the one who created that other
I too am crying because I've lost the path of thinking I thought you were taking. I've no idea what you are claiming.
Dontaskme wrote:Or then I could just pretend to be a really good person and be their friend so that they won't see me as a threat to them and kill me first.
Either way ..we're all living one big fat lie.
In several differing opposing factions, it seems. There is no unity because there is no unifying truth.
If I had strayed off the path of your thinking earlier, it is now night time in that forest. I am in the dark, here.
But nice doing business with you.