Can a computer be God?

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Beauty wrote:This thread was about, 'Can a computer be God?'

For a computer to be God, as in what we understand God to be, I don't think a computer could be God ever. Reason why? We make computers and a computer does not have its own thinking, feeling, understanding, knowledge, memory, database of information, whatever is there is coded in by another, and the basis for extensions is also coded in there. So the computer only performs upon command. The command being ours, the computer cannot be God, for God would be the one sitting highest in command, the one behind the making of the computer would be God, but only in respect to the computer, not otherwise, otherwise, the one sitting highest in command of the whole world would be God.
You don't know what god is, and so you have no capability to answer the question.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:
You don't know what god is, and so you have no capability to answer the question.



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Beauty wrote:This thread was about, 'Can a computer be God?'

For a computer to be God, as in what we understand God to be, I don't think a computer could be God ever. Reason why? We make computers and a computer does not have its own thinking, feeling, understanding, knowledge, memory, database of information, whatever is there is coded in by another, and the basis for extensions is also coded in there.

A computer is programmed by a conscious being not a human being. That same conscious being that programmes the body/mind mechanism of the human being is the same conscious being that makes the computer machine... therefore the computer machine could never become consciousness itself since that would mean there are two consciousnesses. One as the programmer, and the other as the computer machine itself - bottom line is machines can never have consciousness because consciousness cannot be repeated, if it could you would be able to see them everywhere and you can't see consciousness it's that which is already looking....only the body machine is repeated. The conscious self is ever One. One can never be two, because you can't get two from one.

Therefore God cannot be in his creation.
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Dontaskme wrote:
Beauty wrote:This thread was about, 'Can a computer be God?'

For a computer to be God, as in what we understand God to be, I don't think a computer could be God ever. Reason why? We make computers and a computer does not have its own thinking, feeling, understanding, knowledge, memory, database of information, whatever is there is coded in by another, and the basis for extensions is also coded in there.

A computer is programmed by a conscious being not a human being. That same conscious being that programmes the body/mind mechanism of the human being is the same conscious being that makes the computer machine... therefore the computer machine could never become consciousness itself since that would mean there are two consciousnesses. One as the programmer, and the other as the computer machine itself - bottom line is machines can never have consciousness because consciousness cannot be repeated, if it could you would be able to see them everywhere and you can't see consciousness it's that which is already looking....only the body machine is repeated. The conscious self is ever One. One can never be two, because you can't get two from one.

Therefore God cannot be in his creation.
First, God would make something to enjoy it - like a painting, or be in it - like in a house or university, or be around it - like statues, structures. So God can be in his creation and also around it and also enjoy it.
Second, humans and animals have consciousness, they are conscious beings, which is why being conscious of everything they make this and that, otherwise they could not.
Third, the consciousness of someone making our spirit would be more than we spirits have, or would be a different kind of consciousness, far advanced than ours. So we can have from one kind of consciousness, another kind of lesser consciousness. So someone made us and we make computers. We are a different consciousness than computers. We understand computers, they don't understand us. And yet, even we don't understand some things in computers, and to some extent computers understand us. In the same way, who made our spirits, only to a small extent we can understand them, let's say that is God.

So computers cannot be God, for they are someone else's creation. God would be an independent entity existing on its own. Definitely we don't understand that law, but for God to be a creation of another would mean that God would have lesser power, and so could not be God. When we make children, we are not God for them, for we never made the spirit in them. The spirit in us is God. Spirit is there, spirit we don't understand much. But our body and mind is according to our own spirit.
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Beauty wrote:
First, God would make something to enjoy it - like a painting, or be in it - like in a house or university, or be around it - like statues, structures. So God can be in his creation and also around it and also enjoy it.
Second, humans and animals have consciousness, they are conscious beings, which is why being conscious of everything they make this and that, otherwise they could not.
Third, the consciousness of someone making our spirit would be more than we spirits have, or would be a different kind of consciousness, far advanced than ours. So we can have from one kind of consciousness, another kind of lesser consciousness. So someone made us and we make computers. We are a different consciousness than computers. We understand computers, they don't understand us. And yet, even we don't understand some things in computers, and to some extent computers understand us. In the same way, who made our spirits, only to a small extent we can understand them, let's say that is God.

So computers cannot be God, for they are someone else's creation. God would be an independent entity existing on its own. Definitely we don't understand that law, but for God to be a creation of another would mean that God would have lesser power, and so could not be God. When we make children, we are not God for them, for we never made the spirit in them. The spirit in us is God. Spirit is there, spirit we don't understand much. But our body and mind is according to our own spirit.

I give up.

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Dontaskme wrote:
Beauty wrote:
First, God would make something to enjoy it - like a painting, or be in it - like in a house or university, or be around it - like statues, structures. So God can be in his creation and also around it and also enjoy it.
Second, humans and animals have consciousness, they are conscious beings, which is why being conscious of everything they make this and that, otherwise they could not.
Third, the consciousness of someone making our spirit would be more than we spirits have, or would be a different kind of consciousness, far advanced than ours. So we can have from one kind of consciousness, another kind of lesser consciousness. So someone made us and we make computers. We are a different consciousness than computers. We understand computers, they don't understand us. And yet, even we don't understand some things in computers, and to some extent computers understand us. In the same way, who made our spirits, only to a small extent we can understand them, let's say that is God.

So computers cannot be God, for they are someone else's creation. God would be an independent entity existing on its own. Definitely we don't understand that law, but for God to be a creation of another would mean that God would have lesser power, and so could not be God. When we make children, we are not God for them, for we never made the spirit in them. The spirit in us is God. Spirit is there, spirit we don't understand much. But our body and mind is according to our own spirit.

I give up.

It's like trying to have a conversation with a voice recorded message on an answering machine. No offence.
Actually I felt the same a while back that discussing with you is like beating my head against a wall, only I get frustrated and am in pain. No offence. Perhaps a better wording for both of us might be that you like to keep to your opinion and I like to keep to mine and we won't waver. So let's just agree to disagree. This way no one feels any offence.
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Beauty wrote: First, God would make something to enjoy it - like a painting, or be in it - like in a house or university, or be around it - like statues, structures. So God can be in his creation and also around it and also enjoy it.
What's your evidence to say that?
God made cancer. Do you enjoy cancer?
God made malaria, mosquitos and snakes.

Surely it's people that made paintings or universities?
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The opening post is, 'Can a computer be God?'

God can be like a computer, a computer cannot be God.
So let's say God - the Cosmic Mind is like a computer.
Let's say God making the world would make all the basic elements and some natural laws.
Then, "One thing gives way to another," "Every little bit matters," "A little goes a long way," and the world and life has come to be this, what it's today.
Some new laws would also have gotten determined in the process of the world and life being what it's today, for justice must prevail.
For justice to prevail, consequence must come for any action and should be according to action.
For good actions we see good consequences - joy/happiness, and for bad actions we see bad consequences - pain/suffering.
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Beauty wrote:...
For good actions we see good consequences - joy/happiness, and for bad actions we see bad consequences - pain/suffering.
Maybe but whose?
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Arising_uk wrote:
Beauty wrote:...
For good actions we see good consequences - joy/happiness, and for bad actions we see bad consequences - pain/suffering.
Maybe but whose?
The one who does the action, that person's.

Example: A slapped B on the face, an actual slap and not a slap of life. B got the consequence man-made to slapping someone in the past on the face. A will get the consequence to his/her present action of slapping, in the future. It may come naturally, it may come man-made. When someone is bad to us, that is man-made, when our due regarding pain/suffering comes naturally, it is as - irritation, frustration, problem, phobia, disease, cancer, calamity, handicap, disability, death naturally.
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You got any evidence for this or is it just wishful thinking? As I can get that a world of slapping may well mean getting slapped oneself later but doesn't seem much of a hard and fast rule as many who appear to be 'bad' seem to sleep pretty well and die happy and comfortable.
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Arising_uk wrote:You got any evidence for this or is it just wishful thinking? As I can get that a world of slapping may well mean getting slapped oneself later but doesn't seem much of a hard and fast rule as many who appear to be 'bad' seem to sleep pretty well and die happy and comfortable.
The good go to Heaven.
So the good pay all past dues in living life in Hell, life goes poor in spirit. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven."
So we understand why the life of the good people is not so good, for they are headed to Heaven after past dues paid in Hell.

The wicked are to return to Hell with another birth & death cycle. They are not going to Heaven yet.
Life is to learn not to be wicked, pay all past dues and then go back to Heaven.
So we understand why the life of wicked people is not so bad currently as they will go through their dues regarding wickedness next life when they return to Hell.
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But given it's a limited term in Hell could living the high and happy bad-life many times be a fair choice then?
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