ken wrote:
So, truly just can not be removed because truly just is who we really are, is this nearly right?
Also, are you saying that I am truly just now because it is who I am already? If not, then when do I actually become truly just, for myself?
Further to this could I already be the truly just Creator, but you are just unaware of this yet? And if you think I could not be yet because I am asking questions, then remember I might just be asking you for clarification to see just how close or not you are to being the truly just Creator and/or knowing who/what the truly just Creator actually IS.
Truly just is what we're meant to be, not what we are, unless we are already truly just. It's not a riddle. We are a species of life on the planet Earth by the way. You seem to think that others use pronouns in the same way that you do. When I say "me" or "I", I mean just that, there is no other meaning. I am me. Given that I have no proof that I'm not just an avatar or any other form of being external to my present form, I am content to be me. It's the only me that I know, and I like me. Proof to me is in no way subjective, it's an absolute. "Visions of Gods" and "Feeling the presence of Gods" etc: are all subjective, they can all just be products of our own minds. There is no proof.
It is entirely possible that you or anybody else could be an avatar of a truly just creator. It would actually be just for a truly just creator to be born into this world, to see if it could find its way back. To ensure that the system was functioning correctly.
From what do you draw the conclusion, that there is only one? I know that it's your theory/belief, but what proof do you have?
ken wrote:
Okay. You are already "there" right? If so, then when will I or others know we are there also, with you?
When I was young, I went on holiday to meet my grandparents. Over the course of the three weeks we went jigging for cod multiple times and caught nothing. On the day before we were to return home, we went jigging for cod one last time. By this point I had thought that I'd caught something, and hauled my line all the way up from the bottom, countless times. Finally out of boredom/frustration/curiosity, I asked my grandfather, "How will I know when I've caught one?", "Oh, you'll know." came his reply. No sooner had the words left his lips than I caught one. He was absolutely right, "Oh, you'll know.".
ken wrote:
How do 'you' know 'I' die? 'I' might just keep on existing, and from the species that has evolved to the point that its body can write thing down, HERE and NOW, I just continue on writing and TRYING to express Who or what 'I' really am. Being able to write is one thing, but being able to truly listen is another.
I don't.
ken wrote:
My apologies, yes I did not write, "morally I'm Gods superior".
You have not really told us Who/what 'I' am yet, so are you able to tell us Who/what 'God' really is?
Okay fair enough. But what do the beings that are truly just want to be called if they have no desire to be called gods?
But neither of these follow on logically from the first two.
ken wrote:
What a being is called by human beings has no reflection on what it actually is. Human beings have been known to be wrong before, on a couple of occasions. Neither does if the being has no desire to be called some thing or not have any reflection on what it actually is. If a being worthy of being called a god MUST BE truly just, then, if that being is worthy of being called a god, then that being MUST BE truly just, no matter what it is called by any one, or what itself desires to be called or not.
None of this by the way showed Me how nor WHY you are morally God's superior in any ways, shape, nor form.
A god:
- the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
- a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
A truly just being is just a being. Everybody reading this is a being, everything aware of its own existence is a being. Every living thing is a being, where there is life there is being. I know you like to be precise, so everything that exists is in a state of being, but if it isn't alive, for my purposes here it isn't a being.
A god is something to be worshiped, something that is better than lesser beings. The following quotation might help you understand the distinction:
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” - Steven Weinberg
A truly just being is not a god.
ken wrote:
HOW could it be the only truly acceptable source of the Universe if it is pure conjecture.
That's a bit like asking "How could telepathy be a better means of communication than the cellphone?".
It's an hypothesis. People willingly accept all sorts of hypotheses about the origin of the Universe (religions), and they too are pure conjecture.
This is the only truly just one. Therefore; the only truly acceptable one.
ken wrote:
In My opinion, formed on the basis of incomplete information supplied by you, I conclude that there is only One Creator who is Truly Just, and that Creator is the Universe, Itself.
Perfectly reasonable conclusion, I have no evidence to suggest to you that you are wrong. I'm still not sure where you're getting the "one" from though. I see no reason to concluded a "one" over a "two"...a "billion"...etc.
ken wrote:
Rhodnar wrote:
If the Universe was not "created" at all, and it just "is", then life has no meaning.
But YOU are the one who said the meaning of life IS "true happiness".
Because it is. If the Universe was not created for a reason, there is no actual "meaning", but life itself is a continual search for happiness, and true happiness is continual happiness. Again, describing blue...
ken wrote:
But there is also the case that the Universe is being created, right HERE, right NOW, and being created by Its Self. This being 'ALL there is' must be truly just, because there obviously is no other being nor thing. So, if this is the case, then the Universe is being CREATED, and by your logic then life has meaning. Like I do with all words that I do not know, for sure, their meaning or definition I go and look it up in a dictionary. The dictionary I looked in for the definition or the meaning of 'life', said, living, being alive. That definition was perfect as it fitted in perfectly together with all the other answers that I came to also.
If the Universe was not created, then it is truly just. How could it not be? What I mean by that is, we are products of nature, we "make our own beds" as it were. That is truly just to the beings within a
non-created universe. Cause and effect.
For clarification- A universe not specifically brought into existence by a being or beings.
ken wrote:
When exactly did you become truly just, and how did you get there?
Could you explain more so that others will know how to get there, themselves, and when that will be for them also?
In 2008, and by resolving to change, then doing so.
It is a journey of the mind. A re-examination of self to find
true self. A child is born into this world, and made into what it becomes, by this world. There are genetic differences, that cause us all to be fundamentally different from each other, regardless of external stimuli, but we all still have a
true self.
Unfortunately, we are subject to evolution, and genetic differences can express themselves in ways that would make finding a
true self that is truly just, impossible for some. However; any such anomalies can be explained away simply by assuming that the creator(s) of the Universe are truly just.
e.g. We could postulate that we in fact live in a multiverse (in this case), and anybody incapable of finding a truly just
true self in this Universe will find it in another.
I'm only using that as an example, there may be many other possibilities. Without all of the information I cannot tell you what would be truly just or what would not be. However; if the Universe was created by the truly just, then the solution to any apparent anomaly will be truly just.
ken wrote:
Okay, good and fair enough summary. But how can 'you' still be waiting to be born if, as you allege you are, are already a truly just creator, who has already reached the apex of life?
I never said anything about me creating anything. I'm
waiting to be born in the sense, that I am now in a place that I could be trusted to be a
creator. If the Universe was created by the truly just, for the purposes of reproduction, I am now
ready to be born.
ken wrote:
Again I really am a slow and simple one, what may be obvious to you in that film clip was certainly NOT obvious to Me. I do NOT like to assume any thing and prefer to just ask for clarity? Are you saying that we are all fools and that you love us all, and, that we should come and join the joy ride that you are on because you have no unresolved questions and because you have already become a truly just creator who has already reached life's apex?
'I'm' not saying that, no. I didn't write the song or produce/shoot/edit the video.
By the way, "Hello, you fool I love you." doesn't strike me as insulting. It is akin to a parent saying to its child "Come here you little scamp you." and giving the child a hug. So, no I wouldn't say that anybody is being called a "fool".
If you're in the right place and time, you'll see it. If not...It's a nice happy song anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCorJG9mubk