I'm going to try one last time with you Greta. But I will also respect any rejection you have, because I understand that the ego is a tricky character...it's like the wayward child before the Father.Greta wrote:Thanks for trying, DAM, but I don't share your faith.
The understanding of what's being talked about here is not a faith, the immediacy of presence does not require any belief or proof. IT IS right here NOW...without error or doubt.
It is all one consciousness, you are conscious, your dog is conscious, dam is conscious. Any thing that is alive is conscious. ALIVENESS is CONSCIOUSNESS.. therefore consciousness is all things...while the 'things' in and of themselves are not the consciousness just as the word 'water' is not the water, the things of the world are not the consciousness but are concepts arising in consciousness aka knowing.Greta wrote:Maybe it is all one consciousness having a game of life as you and the mystics suggest, but I don't think it's that simple. Some years ago I chatted with a God believer online who was saying that the perfect and immortal soul goes through the adventure of life, but with death all the soil and dirt of life is washed off and the perfect soul is revealed again.
So how is consciousness known to itself?
Consciousness is not a thing..consciousness is born on contact with the thing it knows. The thing and the no thing are one in the same moment. For example: there is no sensation of touch without some thing to touch. But the sensation of feeling is only there aka born when the two surfaces make contact. So this is overwhelming proof that oneness is the only presence, there are not two consciousnesses...only ONE
When awareness knows sensation aka makes contact..consciousness is born, contact is made with itself... only the mind/consciousness is born not YOU the AWARENESS....Consciousness is an aspect of Awareness inseparably one and the other....one unconscious, the other is the same one waking itself from unconscious to conscious one...aka conscious of itself via the contact.
But this is the great misunderstanding - there is no before or after life. No thing is living life, it lives itself, there can't be life without it's counterpart death, there is no death without life. Can you imagine being alive for ever and ever and never having any rest from it, now that would be torture, but life is not set up like that, it gives itself periods of sleep, (death) in order for regeneration to spring forth, (awakening from sleep).... it's so beautiful, so intelligent and perfect...because from this understanding it is realised that nothing is living or dying, and that is the eternal return.Greta wrote:It seemed to me a rather cruel and pointless system. If a soul is perfect before life and comes away unchanged afterwards, why go through all the agonies of life?
When there is Identification with this AS happening to a ''me'' ...that thought is the only cruel aspect of this, that's the misery self. Life has given it self unconditionally without wanting anything back in return. It's a miracle to be alive in the first place, it's a beautiful gift.
But then if one simply doesn't like the gift it can always be returned to sender...it can kill itself...albeit in the illusory sense of the word. I think it was Jesus that said...no one said it was going to be easy, just that it would be worth it.
If YOU are here now then you must have always been here. Not as a separate character, but as the AWARENESS of that character. The characters come and go, but the AWARENESS does not, it is always here. Other wise it wouldn't be here now. Nothing ever happens to NOW, you are THAT.
That's all folks... tune in next time for more thrilling or not so thrilling adventures. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... 4ea3f2.jpg
The image is saying..''where ego I go''..inseparably one and the same shining presence here NOW.