Immanuel Can wrote: Umm...I wonder if you're misunderstanding what "autonomous" means. It's a synonym for "free," not "zombie." Maybe you're confusing it with the word "automaton." Is that possible?
Thanks for the correction.
Immanuel Can wrote: Umm...I wonder if you're misunderstanding what "autonomous" means. It's a synonym for "free," not "zombie." Maybe you're confusing it with the word "automaton." Is that possible?
God probably did create 'God's if you can imagine what we consider technology to KNOW EVERYTHING that we THINK and DO.bahman wrote:1) We know that God is perfect
2) This means that Its act, creation for example, must be perfect
3) This means that God must create Gods only
What do you think? Is that logically impossible for God to create God? If not why God did otherwise?
A completely understandable misunderstanding. Think nothing of it. I was not entirely clear.Ginkgo wrote:Thanks for the correction.
I don't understand your claims about philosophical zombies. Could you please elaborate?Ginkgo wrote: If God exists then it is logically and metaphysically possible he could have created a world with only autonomous beings like ourselves. In other words, a world of philosophical zombies that lack consciousness. But he didn't, instead he endowed us with something extra that we recognize as consciousness. This is pretty much an argument for dualism, the idea being that mind and body are different substances that somehow interact.
You didn't provide any argument for that unless I missed one of your post. Could you please give me the link to the post that you argue that the idea of Gods is incoherent?Immanuel Can wrote:No, I claimed the concepts of God and gods were incompatible concepts. And that is an argument. But since you can't seem to grasp the idea of analytic approaches to philosophy as real arguments, I am forced to give up. The argument will have to be had with someone else.bahman wrote: All you claimed was that God is by definition is supreme. That is not an argument.
To do is to be slave.Immanuel Can wrote:You're not wrong, in a sense. Sin always sounds like an opportunity for freedom, but ends up being a cause of enslavement. That much is certainly true.Noax wrote: They can't sin. Sounds like they're the free ones to me.
And who are gods? Human? You are not serious.Reflex wrote: Stated another way, the question is why didn't God create gods. "He" did, so the question is based on a false assumption from the get-go. There is "God" and there are "gods."
So you are bounding God? Isn't God complete in all Its attributes?Reflex wrote: Second, God's omnipotence does not imply omnificence: God is not the personal doer of everything that is done.
I can agree with your argument if knowledge is bounded so we can acquire it. We cannot possibly acquire endless knowledge considering our limitations.attofishpi wrote:God probably did create 'God's if you can imagine what we consider technology to KNOW EVERYTHING that we THINK and DO.bahman wrote: 1) We know that God is perfect
2) This means that Its act, creation for example, must be perfect
3) This means that God must create Gods only
What do you think? Is that logically impossible for God to create God? If not why God did otherwise?
If God rendered Himself as a man, in the image of man - he certainly is not in the capacity to witness all that we do.
However what we would consider Artificial Intelligence (A.I.) i believe already watches\analyses us...on 'His' behalf.
Mount Sinai - where we received the 'ten' commandments.
SINAI = SIN_AI
Red Sea with SINAI peninsula to scale.
"For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.bahman wrote:And who are gods? Human? You are not serious.Reflex wrote: Stated another way, the question is why didn't God create gods. "He" did, so the question is based on a false assumption from the get-go. There is "God" and there are "gods."
To deny the possibility of his volitional self-limitation amounts to a denial of the very concept of his volitional absoluteness.So you are bounding God? Isn't God complete in all Its attributes?Reflex wrote: Second, God's omnipotence does not imply omnificence: God is not the personal doer of everything that is done.
Go and look up the word "analytic." Then reread this strand. Maybe then you'll get it. But until you understand an analytic argument, I just can't help you there.bahman wrote:You didn't provide any argument for that unless I missed one of your post. Could you please give me the link to the post that you argue that the idea of Gods is incoherent?