We cannot have a relationship with God

[bahman]

God is changeless. Relationship is about cause and effect. As an example, you do something to please another person (act), this act changes the person (effect), the person in reply does something to please you. This means that making relationship with God is impossible since we cannot change Him.

[Harbal]

God is changeless.

Do you mean God as a real thing is changeless or just that our definition of God includes the quality of being changeless.

[bahman]

God is changeless.

Do you mean God as a real thing is changeless or just that our definition of God includes the quality of being changeless.

We don't really know what God is. We define God as Changeless being.

[Harbal]

We define God as Changeless being.

How do we know he is changeless?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Fuck off Bill, the only time you bother with anybody else's threads is when nobody else is bothering with yours.

[Dontaskme]

God is changeless. Relationship is about cause and effect. As an example, you do something to please another person (act), this act changes the person (effect), the person in reply does something to please you. This means that making relationship with God is impossible since we cannot change Him.

There are no relationships in reality, except in this conception, cause and effect duality.

God is just another name for this immediate tacit aliveness being here now....before a perception /interpretation is made.

And so I agree with your premise.

[Dontaskme]

We define God as Changeless being.

How do we know he is changeless?

Do you know what change is?

[Harbal]

There are no relationships in reality, except in this conception, cause and effect duality.

God is just another name for this immediate tacit aliveness being here now....before a perception /interpretation is made.

And so I agree with your premise.

OK, your views will be taken into account before they are discarded.

[bahman]

We define God as Changeless being.

How do we know he is changeless?

We can define it for sake of argument otherwise we are talking about another God.

[Harbal]

We can define it for sake of argument

But I think this is what is known as begging the question. It's sort of like cheating.

[bahman]

We can define it for sake of argument

But I think this is what is known as begging the question. It's sort of like cheating.

That is not question begging. You can assume otherwise and see how argument precedes.

[Harbal]

That is not question begging. You can assume otherwise and see how argument precedes.

Yes it is begging the question. Your original assertion is based entirely on the premis that God is changeless yet it has not yet been established that he is changeless.

[bahman]

That is not question begging. You can assume otherwise and see how argument precedes.

Yes it is begging the question. Your original assertion is based entirely on the primes that God is changeless yet it has not yet been established that he is changeless.

That is no question begging based on definition. The question begging or circular reason is when the conclusion supports premise.

[Reflex]

God is changeless. Relationship is about cause and effect. As an example, you do something to please another person (act), this act changes the person (effect), the person in reply does something to please you. This means that making relationship with God is impossible since we cannot change Him.

Sez who? We either have, or have not; there is no "making" a relationship. And although God does not change, we do. Our relating to and with God in ongoing and progressive.