Truth is not found in mental chatter.

[Dontaskme]

Buddha nature is already this self shining present aware aliveness right here and now, it has no want’s or desires or need for a belief in order to be what it is.

The belief that there is a someone feeling depressed is probably the reason depression is unpleasant, simply because the sensation is taken personally. That’s not what’s happening. In life, depression arises, but it’s not personal, that’s the difference.

Life or Buddha nature or true SELF..what ever you want to call it does not reject the ugly and unwanted parts of itself in favour of opposite. It embraces every aspect of itself as the illusions they are. The pristine Self in which everything arises and falls away is never in denial of what appears within it. It is all allowing all aspects of itself, forgiving of itself completely and unconditionally…All phenomena is just a passing visitor in the ever present unchanging pristine SELF…

Nothing that appears in the sacred silence space of being can ever effect or defile it.

If you are going to own your thoughts, feelings, emotions, as being what you are, then that’s what you are going to get.

[Greta]

So keep slinging the mud at this one

Projection.

You have abused the heck out of me for a while now and I have not abused you once.

[ken]

Like Lacewing, I am done too. Thanks. I cannot argue with you if you believe Oneness is controlling evolution.

How many times do I have to tell sth, "I neither believe nor disbelieve anything?"

I do not recall ever saying Oneness controls evolution, but rather I have said something similar to Oneness, It Self, is evolving, e.g., Oneness is creating It's Self, how we, human beings, see it NOW through an evolutionary-creative process.

Also, all I have done here is just shown what the REAL quote should have been, in respect of what I TRULY stated, and not the incorrect quote that was portrayed, which you originally replied to. If what I had actually wrote was portrayed, fully and correctly, then obviously sth would not have replied with what sth did.

HOWEVER, if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse could and will most likely then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss really, but, by nature, if Oneness brings or allows a species to come into existence, then It would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. A truly intelligent species, which can learn, understand and reason any and every thing, may in fact come in handy for Oneness, It Self, to actually learn about It's Self.

You said, " If Ones brings or allows a species to come into existence, then it would mostly try to keep that and every species alive."

YES, that is VERY, VERY TRUE, HOWEVER, a further and far MORE TRUTH is I did NOT have a '.', period, after 'alive'. What I ACTUALLY did have in replace of that period was a ',', coma. This coma was then immediately followed directly with the words, if it is needed. BUT, this was NOT added into the quote for a reason that I am unaware of because it was NOT I who injected the quote into the discussion. Therefore, to understand what I meant means taking everything I say and taking it all into context with what it is that I am expressing.

This means that Oneness dictates what comes into existence. That is controlling evolution.

I DID NOT make that claim in the perspective that appears sth thinks it means. 'sth', those thoughts within that brain, are making those claims. Remember absolutely everything is relative to the observer. The observer sth sees, thinks, assumes and believes what it wants to see, think, assume and believe. If sth does NOT ask for clarification from Me of what I actually do and did mean, then that means sth is making its own beliefs, based on assumptions, which may or may not be right or wrong or partly right.

And I cannot argue with anyone who makes such claims because it simply reflects a very poor understanding of evolution.

From My perspective sth has not yet been able to form one logically formed sound, valid argument about anything. But sth will 'argue', disagree and express an opposing view about anything, just for the sake of it, without ever providing any legitimate supporting evidence of what sth sees and views. Whatever that is because of the continual changing of beliefs, and assumptions it can appear hard to keep up with what exactly sth wants to say and express.

In regards to having a very poor understanding of evolution, i thought this would then imply very easy to argue against.

By the way if the truth be known, remember sth's understanding of evolution was something like, 'evolution' means the fittest, and strongest, physically survive.

You continued with, "if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. "
This implies that there is a reason why Oneness does things and you somehow know it.

Of course there is a reason and I know it, are you ONLY now just noticing and seeing this now?

I have already given that reason why Oneness does, i.e., I do, things.

I was the One, after all, who wrote, I am God.

Do you think/believe Oneness and God are not One and the same?

The reason I have already stated in plain simple language.

You cannot prove that there is Oneness.

I can not prove anything to anyone if they believe otherwise.

I also can not prove anything to anyone if that one does not provide a definition of what they say I can not prove.

You cannot show how you know what it wants.

And, this belief is based on what, exactly?

If I have yet even explained HOW I know this, then how do you know, for sure, that I can not show how I know this?

Can you prove that I can not show you how I know what 'I', Oneness, want?

If you can not do this, then how do you know what you say you know?

Is that a belief, which is in fact a dogma, because sth does not have any evidence yet and it is also being believed without being questioned or doubted.

Nothing in nature suggests that it is striving towards peace and harmony.

Is it correct that nothing in nature, has appeared to sth yet, that suggest nature is striving towards peace and harmony?

Although that is not surprising at all, that, in of itself, does not mean that that is an absolutely true, right and/or correct fact.

But, just to inform sth, I do not see any thing false, wrong or incorrect that statement also.

But before sth jumps to any conclusion with this last statement I would suggest remaining open, always by the way.

These are your beliefs which you refuse to even acknowledge.

This is what sth believes and continues to maintain to believe, without being questioned nor doubted.

If I am speaking for and on behalf of Thy Self, then I do NOT HAVE TO believe anything. Therefore, I do not have to have beliefs, which by the way I do NOT have.

You also said "A truly intelligent species, which can learn, understand and reason any and every thing, may in fact come in handy for Oneness, It Self, to actually learn about It's Self."

This seems to suggest that you actually claim to know that Oneness created the universe and you know the reason why it did so.

YES that is exactly what this suggests.

But just maybe I, Oneness, not created the Universe in the exact same way sth is thinking/believing created means.

No one can argue with that as you simply cannot give any proof of it.

I can and WILL give prove, when I am ready to, which i think will also be verified scientifically.

Is sth being dogmatic here by believing (in) something, without any evidence, and which is not being questioned nor doubted here?

Also you seem to ignore the fact that nature works in the exact opposite way. There is no striving towards peace and harmony in nature.

Did I ever use the word 'striving'?

That word 'striving', by its very nature, naturally implies a contradiction 'towards peace and harmony in nature'.

Nature is intrinsically violent and that is a fact.

Is that an unambiguous fact that can not be disputed?

And, by the way, who/what exactly is nature intrinsically violent towards?

Considering that you seem to be convinced of your theory and refuse to acknowledge facts that stare you in the face, there is nothing to argue about.

Just maybe My, so called, "theory" adds-onto, refutes, re-adjusts and/or changes and corrects the so called "facts" of 'now', "yesteryear".

That is why I am done. I simply cannot argue with anyone who claims to understand that he knows who created the universe and why, specially when the who is a Oneness for which you have no proof and the why contradicts reality.

[/quote]

But sth stated before that sth was done and simply can not not 'argue', logically reason, previously.

Just like i thought it was right, previously, i still think this is right now that sth simply can not argue. This time, however, i wonder if sth is really and truly done?

[Dontaskme]

So keep slinging the mud at this one

Projection.

You have abused the heck out of me for a while now and I have not abused you once.

I hang with my own kind. Your not my kind. Get over it.

Call it abuse what ever you want...it's all water off a ducks back.

Wait for the echo.

[Greta]

So keep slinging the mud at this one

Projection.

You have abused the heck out of me for a while now and I have not abused you once.

I hang with my own kind. Your not my kind. Get over it.

Call it abuse what ever you want...it's all water off a ducks back.

Wait for the echo.

More projection. You are the one providing all the histrionics.

I don't worry about your abuse because it's not important. I'm just simply pointing out that you have been abusive towards me in this thread, seemingly for having the temerity to disagree with your cliched new age bullshit and to point out some factual errors.

I will be happy to leave you to your own little world if you stop misrepresenting me. I prefer not to leave misrepresentations unchallenged, even when the company is odious.

[Dontaskme]

All animals are greedy but few are empowered to fully reveal their naked greed for mates, food, territory and other resources. Consider animals with harem style structures; the dominant male greedily demands access to all females, not allowing other males access. There are many examples of animals overconsuming their environment to the point where they wipe themselves out.

Who told you that. How do you know all this? What if the dominant male is just following it's instinctive nature...can the animal do anything different than what it's already programmed to do by nature? does the animal lie awake all night worrying that it is being greedy ...and what impact that might have on it's own species, is it even aware that there maybe consequences of it's own actions? .. do you have any concrete proof that animals are greedy?... do you think an animal even knows what that concept means? ...have you spoken to an animal to check if it can understand what the concept means.. did it reply to you? ...your knowledge of the natural world is based on what others have told you, and they've been told by others before them, or you may have read it in a book. In truth you have no real truth of how anything in nature works or how it lives life, you just think you do..life doesn't have to think about living, it just lives, it does not have an agenda...it just does what it does without discrimination or specific plan... no creature has ever been alive before, they just do what comes naturally... it's not like they're having to think carefully about what they are doing in case they screw up...can what spontaneously happens in life ever be undone? ...there's only life living itself in constant flux living now as one unitary flow.

Aside from intelligence, communication and aspects of morphology, humans have two major differences to other species:

1) they are unique as large eusocial mammals with specialised roles, including power and leadership roles (akin to queens and drones with colonial insects) and

2) they are unchallenged by other (large) species, allowing them to create purpose-built environments that permit them to consider their existence in lieu of the rest of nature, thinking of "nature" (as though they were outside nature) as merely a resource. This anthropocentric attitude is to be expected. All species groups are self-focused, but the self-focus is a perspective error. Our senses don't give us "the truth", more just naturally selected aspects of reality that are efficacious.

Human empowerment throws life's natural expansiveness and acquisitiveness into a clear light, exemplified by economic rationalists' push for economic growth. In that, our institutions are not so different to amoebas - mindless growth for growth's sake. Freed from many natural limits (eg. daily concerns with predators) life just keeps on pushing to expand its boundaries.

Who told you that, remember no one has been alive before, what would they know about life, did you read that information in a book or did you just make all that up? or is all this knowing all in your mindlessness?

Each psychological centre contains and is composed solely of specific, limited and self referential knowledge. Whenever this assumed psychological centre inquires into it's own nature with its extremely biased knowledge....nothing can be seen.

It is not the layering on of more knowledge that is the gift.....but the emptiness itself.

[Dontaskme]

I don't worry about your abuse because it's not important. I'm just simply pointing out that you have been abusive towards me in this thread, seemingly for having the temerity to disagree with your cliched new age bullshit and to point out some factual errors.

No one can abuse you without your permission.

What I speak about is truth... if you don't agree with the truth, don't be surprised if you don't get sugar coated replies.

People like you only hear what they want to hear. I've heard your sob stories so many times before. It's so tiring listening to you.

The ego will always fight to the death before giving it self up. Life is not a challenge to itself, only to the ego, so fight on until your blue in the face, your only boxing with shadows, it's quite entertaining actually...watching that which only exists as an idea beat itself up.

There is a very good reason why phantoms cannot find the meaning of their lives.

No dream character has ever transcended ....or even survived....the dream.

You are the consciousness in which the dream occurs.

[sthitapragya]

How many times do I have to tell sth, "I neither believe nor disbelieve anything?"

I do not recall ever saying Oneness controls evolution, but rather I have said something similar to Oneness, It Self, is evolving, e.g., Oneness is creating It's Self, how we, human beings, see it NOW through an evolutionary-creative process.

Also, all I have done here is just shown what the REAL quote should have been, in respect of what I TRULY stated, and not the incorrect quote that was portrayed, which you originally replied to. If what I had actually wrote was portrayed, fully and correctly, then obviously sth would not have replied with what sth did.

HOWEVER, if abuse if left to continue, then that species causing the abuse could and will most likely then be wiped out, which to Oneness is of no great loss really, but, by nature, if Oneness brings or allows a species to come into existence, then It would mostly try to keep that and every species alive, if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. A truly intelligent species, which can learn, understand and reason any and every thing, may in fact come in handy for Oneness, It Self, to actually learn about It's Self.

You said, " If Ones brings or allows a species to come into existence, then it would mostly try to keep that and every species alive."

YES, that is VERY, VERY TRUE, HOWEVER, a further and far MORE TRUTH is I did NOT have a '.', period, after 'alive'. What I ACTUALLY did have in replace of that period was a ',', coma. This coma was then immediately followed directly with the words, if it is needed. BUT, this was NOT added into the quote for a reason that I am unaware of because it was NOT I who injected the quote into the discussion. Therefore, to understand what I meant means taking everything I say and taking it all into context with what it is that I am expressing.

This means that Oneness dictates what comes into existence. That is controlling evolution.

I DID NOT make that claim in the perspective that appears sth thinks it means. 'sth', those thoughts within that brain, are making those claims. Remember absolutely everything is relative to the observer. The observer sth sees, thinks, assumes and believes what it wants to see, think, assume and believe. If sth does NOT ask for clarification from Me of what I actually do and did mean, then that means sth is making its own beliefs, based on assumptions, which may or may not be right or wrong or partly right.

And I cannot argue with anyone who makes such claims because it simply reflects a very poor understanding of evolution.

From My perspective sth has not yet been able to form one logically formed sound, valid argument about anything. But sth will 'argue', disagree and express an opposing view about anything, just for the sake of it, without ever providing any legitimate supporting evidence of what sth sees and views. Whatever that is because of the continual changing of beliefs, and assumptions it can appear hard to keep up with what exactly sth wants to say and express.

In regards to having a very poor understanding of evolution, i thought this would then imply very easy to argue against.

By the way if the truth be known, remember sth's understanding of evolution was something like, 'evolution' means the fittest, and strongest, physically survive.

You continued with, "if it is needed, and especially a species that has the capability to learn, understand and reason HOW and WHY it is far better to live peacefully in harmony with every other thing else then it is to keep abusing and wiping itself out completely. "
This implies that there is a reason why Oneness does things and you somehow know it.

Of course there is a reason and I know it, are you ONLY now just noticing and seeing this now?

I have already given that reason why Oneness does, i.e., I do, things.

I was the One, after all, who wrote, I am God.

Do you think/believe Oneness and God are not One and the same?

The reason I have already stated in plain simple language.

You cannot prove that there is Oneness.

I can not prove anything to anyone if they believe otherwise.

I also can not prove anything to anyone if that one does not provide a definition of what they say I can not prove.

You cannot show how you know what it wants.

And, this belief is based on what, exactly?

If I have yet even explained HOW I know this, then how do you know, for sure, that I can not show how I know this?

Can you prove that I can not show you how I know what 'I', Oneness, want?

If you can not do this, then how do you know what you say you know?

Is that a belief, which is in fact a dogma, because sth does not have any evidence yet and it is also being believed without being questioned or doubted.

Nothing in nature suggests that it is striving towards peace and harmony.

Is it correct that nothing in nature, has appeared to sth yet, that suggest nature is striving towards peace and harmony?

Although that is not surprising at all, that, in of itself, does not mean that that is an absolutely true, right and/or correct fact.

But, just to inform sth, I do not see any thing false, wrong or incorrect that statement also.

But before sth jumps to any conclusion with this last statement I would suggest remaining open, always by the way.

These are your beliefs which you refuse to even acknowledge.

This is what sth believes and continues to maintain to believe, without being questioned nor doubted.

If I am speaking for and on behalf of Thy Self, then I do NOT HAVE TO believe anything. Therefore, I do not have to have beliefs, which by the way I do NOT have.

You also said "A truly intelligent species, which can learn, understand and reason any and every thing, may in fact come in handy for Oneness, It Self, to actually learn about It's Self."

This seems to suggest that you actually claim to know that Oneness created the universe and you know the reason why it did so.

YES that is exactly what this suggests.

But just maybe I, Oneness, not created the Universe in the exact same way sth is thinking/believing created means.

No one can argue with that as you simply cannot give any proof of it.

I can and WILL give prove, when I am ready to, which i think will also be verified scientifically.

Is sth being dogmatic here by believing (in) something, without any evidence, and which is not being questioned nor doubted here?

Also you seem to ignore the fact that nature works in the exact opposite way. There is no striving towards peace and harmony in nature.

Did I ever use the word 'striving'?

That word 'striving', by its very nature, naturally implies a contradiction 'towards peace and harmony in nature'.

Nature is intrinsically violent and that is a fact.

Is that an unambiguous fact that can not be disputed?

And, by the way, who/what exactly is nature intrinsically violent towards?

Considering that you seem to be convinced of your theory and refuse to acknowledge facts that stare you in the face, there is nothing to argue about.

Just maybe My, so called, "theory" adds-onto, refutes, re-adjusts and/or changes and corrects the so called "facts" of 'now', "yesteryear".

That is why I am done. I simply cannot argue with anyone who claims to understand that he knows who created the universe and why, specially when the who is a Oneness for which you have no proof and the why contradicts reality.

But sth stated before that sth was done and simply can not not 'argue', logically reason, previously.

Just like i thought it was right, previously, i still think this is right now that sth simply can not argue. This time, however, i wonder if sth is really and truly done?[/quote]
Done.

[Greta]

I don't worry about your abuse because it's not important. I'm just simply pointing out that you have been abusive towards me in this thread, seemingly for having the temerity to disagree with your cliched new age bullshit and to point out some factual errors.

No one can abuse you without your permission.

You will say anything to "win" but have no clue what you are saying. If your statement was correct then abused and bullied children gave permission. THIS is what happens when you don't think.

You have no respect. Not for the Earth, for humanity, not for the geniuses and hard work behind humanity's body of knowledge. No respect for the learning, work or ideas of others that makes your life possible.

No gratitude. No humility. No goodwill. No interest in understanding. You posit this as a good thing but you let slip earlier:

I have never been able to live in the adult world, it's too mentally perplexing for this one - I'm just a simple pious peasant. I do not understand the world of grown-ups... the adult mind is sick .. the adult mind has abused me all my life, I detest humans...they're not to my taste, they are disgusting creatures disguised as happy,smiley shiny, pearly white teethed hero's ...while underneath they are full of secret evil agendas.. ...there I said it.

Now please don't reply...if you do I will just ignore you. I'm just a child, please leave me alone, or I will ring child-line for support.

All I see there is a sense of inadequacy, self-hate and hatred towards others. Your paradigm of hatred is weak, invalid, merely a product of your hangups. Then you have the gall to bundle the this toxic, abused and abusive brew of hatred, rejection and chronic oneupmanship into a negating paradigm wrapped in a pretty New Age "faux Eastern" package. This, you - abysmal tosser* that you are - present to provide life advice to others.

Humans are animals, just as flawed and admirable as others. If not for the efforts of generations of hard work, insight, inspiration, creativity and a slowly developing morality you would be dead, probably after your still-young body, weakened by tapeworms and infections, proved too slow to avoid a passing predator.

Just simple respect is all that's required. To appreciate that what's going on behind the eyes of others is much more than it appears from the outside. ATM you are so caught up in the maelstrom of your own troubled mind that you cannot appreciate the depth of others - so you scorn and revile them all. Some philosophy. You make Schopenhauer and Nietzsche looks like jolly little green pixies.

You'd better start believing that reality is real or it will slip away, lost to pointlessly toxic ideation. This is the life now. It is not a dream, not unreal, but it is temporal. So you either use it while you have it or you can waste it with shallow, pointless resentment.


* example of abuse provided without permission.

[Nick_A]

Truth is not found in mental chatter.

It does appear that the premise of the thread has been verified.

[Dontaskme]

You will say anything to "win" but have no clue what you are saying. If your statement was correct then abused and bullied children gave permission. THIS is what happens when you don't think.

Win?

Ah yes, there we go. Now we're talking.

I'm saying until the conceptual seed /thought and it's meaning is implanted in you by other, you have no way of knowing what anything is. Children have no reason to give permission for concepts that are not theirs, children left to their own devices are blank slates with open minds that are quite capable of working things out for themselves, who are not polluted by adults until they are. THINKING is a blessing and a curse, it's only purpose it to ensue the survival and continuity of the human species. Conceptual thinking is that which creates the idea of separate things. Leading to the false assumption that there is separate sense of personal identity here, and another one over there as concieved ...this knowledge is then passed on to the offspring. HENCE THE BATTLE BEGINS

You have no respect. Not for the Earth, for humanity, not for the geniuses and hard work behind humanity's body of knowledge. No respect for the learning, work or ideas of others that makes your life possible.

No gratitude. No humility. No goodwill. No interest in understanding. You posit this as a good thing but you let slip earlier:

Thank you for your constant barrage of insults.

First, I am accused of abusing you...now just to make up for that to make yourself look like you are winning, you insult me...what a fine pair we are. So be it...that's life. I'm already over it.

People do not make my life possible. I have no idea what has made my life possible, but I do know it wasn't a human. People have made my life comfortable, and I have done same for them. One has to walk a mile in their shoes before casting judgement on them personally.

All I see there is a sense of inadequacy, self-hate and hatred towards others. Your paradigm of hatred is weak, invalid, merely a product of your hangups. Then you have the gall to bundle the this toxic, abused and abusive brew of hatred, rejection and chronic oneupmanship into a negating paradigm wrapped in a pretty New Age "faux Eastern" package. This, you - abysmal tosser* that you are - present to provide life advice to others.

Humans are animals, just as flawed and admirable as others. If not for the efforts of generations of hard work, insight, inspiration, creativity and a slowly developing morality you would be dead, probably after your still-young body, weakened by tapeworms and infections, proved too slow to avoid a passing predator.

Just simple respect is all that's required. To appreciate that what's going on behind the eyes of others is much more than it appears from the outside. ATM you are so caught up in the maelstrom of your own troubled mind that you cannot appreciate the depth of others - so you scorn and revile them all. Some philosophy. You make Schopenhauer and Nietzsche looks like jolly little green pixies.

You'd better start believing that reality is real or it will slip away, lost to pointlessly toxic ideation. This is the life now. It is not a dream, not unreal, but it is temporal. So you either use it while you have it or you can waste it with shallow, pointless resentment.


* example of abuse provided without permission.

Don't accuse me of projection when you are doing same ...your comment above are your own thoughts, not mine, project your unwanted thoughts at me if it makes you look more superior. I can take it, because I am not the one with a troubled mind, I'm only reporting my surround as I've seen and experienced it...oh, you think that makes me shallow and all the other things you have said about me...well dream on.

I know the real self, I know the shit that comes out of me is not who I am...and that's the difference between you and I....you believe it's real...and I DONT

I am just reporting the world how I see and experience it from the perspective of the witness state, not from the ego. The witness is all knowing, and is not afraid to say out loud what most people know but keep it festering inside of them, until it rots their psyche to the point of wanting to kill them selves in order to escape. The one who resides in the witness state, knows and sees it all as illusion and is never effected by it.

The external world is a reflection of the inner human psyche ...only a fool can turn a blind eye to it. It will never change, it's the play of lila.

False Identification with a separate self does carry consequences for nature. But it couldn't have been any other way, the dual world of opposites was created by knowledge, it is knowledge that has divided what in truth can never be divided..... that's just what happens, and it's no one fault, because no one is here, it's just life playing and singing freely the only way it knows unconditionally.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF A GNOSTIC WARRIOR!!! ...the ego will lose every time against it. The ego is a just a puny shadow of it's former self the Gnostic Warrior..choose your side carefully. The right side is both sides, this one can't be touched.

Children are the door to enlightenment and is why I'm choosing to be a child. Only children can enter the kingdom.

And don't preach to me how professional you think adults are...just open your eyes, don't be fooled by them... outwardly they appear like Gods, but inwardly they are a mess.

One example I will give is a lawyer I once knew who was professional by day but by night was laid out on a couch talking to a psychiatrist... and after the visit would prop up the local bar and drink alcohol until the small hours of the morning.

You make Schopenhauer and Nietzsche looks like jolly little green pixies.

Thanks for the compliment.

[Dontaskme]

Done.

Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Same place...aka all in your mind.

[Dontaskme]

Truth is not found in mental chatter.

It does appear that the premise of the thread has been verified.

Yes indeed.

This truth is not something to get. It's here right now...behind all the smoke. But as they say, no smoke without fire.

Nothing changes.

[Dontaskme]

You'd better start believing that reality is real or it will slip away, lost to pointlessly toxic ideation. This is the life now. It is not a dream, not unreal, but it is temporal. So you either use it while you have it or you can waste it with shallow, pointless resentment.

SCREAM AND YELL ALL YOU WANT

In Space...NOONE can hear you Scream!!

Wait for the echo!


''You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.'' - - Matthew 10:22



''Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.'' - -John 2:15-17



''See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.'' - - Colossians 2:8

[Greta]

People do not make my life possible. I have no idea what has made my life possible, but I do know it wasn't a human. People have made my life comfortable, and I have done same for them. One has to walk a mile in their shoes before casting judgement on them personally.

No, your life is possible via humans, most especially your parents.

One turning point for me was holidaying at Hamilton Island on the Great Barrier Reef. I was admiring the beauty as I stood on the beach looking out to sea. Then I looked over to the side and saw the giant resort building jutting into the air and it completely spoiled the vibe. I thought it a shame that humans have to despoil nature's beauty with their unsightly stuff.

Then a moment of realisation: every single thing I thought of as beautiful in that scene would kill me in seconds. The only things that gave a damn whether I lived or died were human, apart from two dogs. The Sun - a deadly giant. The ocean? Cold and dangerous. The sky? Cold and lacking in oxygen. Beautiful only at a distance, and I was only there to appreciate the sunset thanks to the cleverness and industry of countless human ancestors - who designed the hygiene, sanitation, utilities, medicine and social structures to help me live this long, the scientists, engineers and pilots that made my flight there possible; humans designed my comfortable resort hut not to mention countless other details we all routinely take for granted.

Your attitude calls to mind the "What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?" sketch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-fRo5-p9hE