Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:42 am
-1- wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:16 am
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:03 pm
When you were born, what made you suckle if not an unconscious association with a pattern of thought that would pertain to the archetype within your father complex?
IOW, where do you think your instincts are stored?
That word you use, I call the Father Complex.
This is not rocket science my friend.
According to this, everyone has a father complex.
Instinctual behaviour response is stored in DNA.
Why do you call it a father complex? Because everyone's derive from their father? But it derives from their mothers as well. We are diploid, after all.
"When you were born, what made you suckle if not an unconscious association with a pattern of thought that would pertain to the archetype within your father complex?" To answer this question, I'd say I'm not sure what made me suckle. An instinct for sure, but beyond that I don't know the mechanism of it. But I am sure that what made me suckle was NOT due to an association with a pattern of thought pertaining to anything. I assert there was no thought to it. That's what defines (partly) instinctual behaviour: it does not need to be learned, it needs no thought or consideration. You just do it when the triggers are present or when they present themselves.
If you would have read a bit on the Father Complex initially, apologies if you did, then you would have realized that to men it is Father Complex and to women, it is Mother complex.
This aside.
Shaman have said that their DNA speaks to them. Sure, that is a reach for you and I but us you say, our instincts are in our DNA so if you ever feel fear, it is your DNA telling you, not with words but with chemistry, that you need the extra testosterone that automatically pumps through your body when it receives the chemical message to release it.
Further, shaman and sages have always called God, father, so in that sense, Freud and Jung are 4,000 years late in finding within us what the sages have known for a long time. That our DNA speaks to us chemically.
Regards
DL
Why are Junk and Freud only 4,000 years too late? Shamans and Sages have existed much before that. Going back to at least 100,000 years. I don't know where you got this 4000 figure.
You asked me where the instincts are stored, from which I got them. They are stored in DNA, and passed them down to me. But DNA is not what makes me react by instinct. DNA is what helps build body chemistry that become systems that govern my instinctual behaviour.
Let me put it this way: DNA is like a code, that proteins take their shape from, and then after they took their own shape, they go on their own marry ways, to do their own specific jobs. It's like school, where every kid is six years old when they start, (in most places 5 years), they are all almost alike, and they are given the same code, by the teacher's instructions, yet one becomes an engineer, the other, a doctor, a third, a pusher, a fourth, a hooker. Same way, the DNA does not make me sweat or run fast, it is specialized cells and structures that make me do it, developed from DNA. Much like nobody could build a factory or a dam or a spaceship from the Grade 1 Reader, yet evryone who flies into space, or rides a horse, or works in a factory had read the Grade 1 reader.
That's A.
B. is that DNA has only been discovered and described in my lifetime. It is impossible for shamans and sages to have concepts of it in the distant past. That is an anachronism, and it is only easily convinced, gullible people who don't know much science or history of science who treat scientific terms as icons, and imagine that these icons have existed in man's world and knowledge for a long time.
Father / Mother Complex... interesting decision, to name a function differently by sexual application. Wow. I have never seen anything like that.
I am still thinking how you got the 4,000 year lateness for Jung and Freud. I am thinking: Does it have to do anything with a belief that the world is only 6000 years old? And then... you are juxtaposing this with your imagined idea of DNA functionality and "sure" knowledge that shamans and sages have known about DNA for thousands of years.