The Second Coming of Christ.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by bobevenson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:40 pm

Harbal wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:20 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:13 pm
And please remember that anybody who doesn't pay attention to Bob the Baptist is automatically a crazy or simpleton.
We do pay attention, bob, how else would we be aware that you're not running on a full tank?
Please, when dealing with the hoi polloi, all that's needed is their collective hot air to power my sails!

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Harbal » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:51 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:40 pm

Please, when dealing with the hoi polloi, all that's needed is their collective hot air to power my sails!
Well if you put it like that I daresay you'll be travelling at a fair rate of knots.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:57 pm

:lol: Yeah! On a ship to nowhere.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pm

Dontaskme wrote:In order to know that which is without beginning nor end - one first has to have knowledge of opposites birth and death. ...
What do you mean by 'knowing' death here?
The death is a lie, you cannot die, that which appears to die was never born. You are true life without beginning nor end.
So who are those I've buried?
What looks like dying is actually the second birth - the leaving through one door from the transition pupa stage into the fully fledged transformed state of Nondual Christ Consciousness.
Make believe.
Birth and Death are like the two sides of the same Nondual coin.The Body and Mind may be one within each other. Simultaneously the Body may create the Mind and Mind may create the Body in a Nondual stateless state. But, there may be a Proto-State beyond all existence which creates existence in it which can be liked to a darkened flame.
And may well be turtles all the way down but the noumena is unknowable so I have no idea why you think you know all this stuff?

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Dontaskme » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:15 am

Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pm
Dontaskme wrote:In order to know that which is without beginning nor end - one first has to have knowledge of opposites birth and death. ...
What do you mean by 'knowing' death here?
Knowing the concept 'death' ..but not knowing 'death' literally, or directly, because no one has ever experienced the concept of death. In that no one has ever seen death. Same goes for birth, no one individual has ever witnessed their own birth...these things are concepts knowledge arising here now in YOU.

You are not a concept, you are prior to the concept, and yet you appear to be the concept in the conception of you. I've explained this many times, and here I am explaining it again.

The death is a lie, you cannot die, that which appears to die was never born. You are true life without beginning nor end.
Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pm
So who are those I've buried?
Those that are buried are ...Concepts/name-tags, identities....in other words nothing and everything aka infinite life going through it's endless cycle of apparent death and re-birth transforming from one state to another ..but not actually leaving or going nowhere, for there is only now.here being infinite life.
What looks like dying is actually the second birth - the leaving through one door from the transition pupa stage into the fully fledged transformed state of Nondual Christ Consciousness.
Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pm
Make believe.
Yes, it's all History. His-Story. All coming from DEAD memories..appearing to be re-born IN THE EVER UNFOLDING NOW

Birth and Death are like the two sides of the same Nondual coin.The Body and Mind may be one within each other. Simultaneously the Body may create the Mind and Mind may create the Body in a Nondual stateless state. But, there may be a Proto-State beyond all existence which creates existence in it which can be liked to a darkened flame.
Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pm
And may well be turtles all the way down but the noumena is unknowable so I have no idea why you think you know all this stuff?
To imply something is unknowable is still a known concept, but to reach the place of the non-conceptual the ever present non-conceptual witness state of pure mind..the mind has to unhinge from every thought and concept, and not identify with them, but to watch them come and go without attaching to them, and when that happens, there is direct link to the emptiness in which those thoughts and concepts arise and fall... the mind can apparently do this, and by doing this can enter into the state of pure non-conceptual awareness...aka the stateless state. We do this every night when we fall asleep into dreamless state, so also, it can be done in waking state as well.

The mind that appears to know itself as a person also knows itself as the emptiness in which the concept ''person'' arises.

So who is that appears to know all this stuff is quite simple ...knowledge knows, and knowledge appears from nothing. .....But, what can the mind do with nothing? ..it can't do anything with nothing, therefore mind makes 'everything up' and is how ''what you are'' becomes KNOWN...as NOTHING AND EVERYTHING.

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Because the fundamental nature of things is empty. Things can manifest in all their luminosity and un-obstructedness.

The finger that points to the sky is not the SKY. The idols of Religion are simply pointers to the ETERNAL TRUTH.

The signpost is not the destination, it is that which is pointing to the destination that is already here now, the problem is paying too much attention to the signpost while ignoring what it is pointing to.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:39 pm

Dontaskme wrote:Knowing the concept 'death' ..but not knowing 'death' literally, or directly, because no one has ever experienced the concept of death. In that no one has ever seen death. ...
I've seen death as I've held dead things. You can't know this 'concept' 'death' as when you are dead there are no more concepts.
Same goes for birth, no one individual has ever witnessed their own birth...these things are concepts knowledge arising here now in YOU.
Not really as I have it on good authority from my mother that I was born and I can give the same authority to my kids.
You are not a concept, you are prior to the concept, and yet you appear to be the concept in the conception of you. I've explained this many times, and here I am explaining it again. ...
And as I've explained to you the prior is the Body and this 'you' is a combination of memory and language.
Those that are buried are ...Concepts/name-tags, identities....in other words nothing and everything aka infinite life going through it's endless cycle of apparent death and re-birth transforming from one state to another ..but not actually leaving or going nowhere, for there is only now.here being infinite life.
What are being buried are dead bodies and so far we've never seen one re-birth nor any evidence of transformation in the whole history of the human race.
Yes, it's all History. His-Story. All coming from DEAD memories..appearing to be re-born IN THE EVER UNFOLDING NOW
I don't disagree that the past and history is something we can make now but fundamentally disagree that the past is not the past.
To imply something is unknowable is still a known concept, but to reach the place of the non-conceptual the ever present non-conceptual witness state of pure mind..the mind has to unhinge from every thought and concept, and not identify with them, but to watch them come and go without attaching to them, and when that happens, there is direct link to the emptiness in which those thoughts and concepts arise and fall... the mind can apparently do this, and by doing this can enter into the state of pure non-conceptual awareness...aka the stateless state. We do this every night when we fall asleep into dreamless state, so also, it can be done in waking state as well. ...
Yes and how do those who meditate achieve such a state, by training themselves over years to ignore the Body.
The mind that appears to know itself as a person also knows itself as the emptiness in which the concept ''person'' arises.
But only by ignoring the Body in the first place.
So who is that appears to know all this stuff is quite simple ...knowledge knows, and knowledge appears from nothing. .....But, what can the mind do with nothing? ..it can't do anything with nothing, therefore mind makes 'everything up' and is how ''what you are'' becomes KNOWN...as NOTHING AND EVERYTHING. ...
Knowledge doesn't appear from nothing, it comes from being a Body with senses and memory in an external world.
Because the fundamental nature of things is empty. Things can manifest in all their luminosity and un-obstructedness.
Waffle. The fundamental nature of things is that we are a body with senses in an external world.
The finger that points to the sky is not the SKY. ...
Well dur! Why do you think we can point at it?
The idols of Religion are simply pointers to the ETERNAL TRUTH.
'The ETERNAL TRUTH', pray tell?
The signpost is not the destination, it is that which is pointing to the destination that is already here now, the problem is paying too much attention to the signpost while ignoring what it is pointing to. ...
Who doesn't know what a signpost points to?
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Dontaskme » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:18 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:39 pm
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Knowledge is memory.

Who is remembering?

Recall or retrieval of memory refers to the subsequent re-accessing of events or information from the past, which have been previously encoded and stored in the brain. In common parlance, it is known as remembering.

The past present and future exist simultaneously all NOW

When UNCONSCIOUS latent Awareness aka YOU knows sensation, consciousness /mind is born (re-membering)

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Is the Theory of Everything encrypted in the Bible? Where Science and Scripture Collide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqG9GAdovwk

All the answers are explained in this simple video.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:24 pm

Dontaskme wrote:Knowledge is memory. ...
Depending what you mean by 'knowledge' but essentially, yes.
Who is remembering?
The thing with the memory.
Recall or retrieval of memory refers to the subsequent re-accessing of events or information from the past, which have been previously encoded and stored in the brain. In common parlance, it is known as remembering..
I thought I said that?
The past present and future exist simultaneously all NOW
How would you know this and how can you have a 'NOW' if the past, present and future are all now?
When UNCONSCIOUS latent Awareness aka YOU knows sensation, consciousness /mind is born (re-membering)
What is this 'UNCONSCIOUS latent Awareness' when its at home?
Is the Theory of Everything encrypted in the Bible? ...
No.
Where Science and Scripture Collide
...
All the answers are explained in this simple video.
Apart from the Biblical nonsense quite an interesting video for once.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Ginkgo » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:47 am

bobevenson wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:13 pm
And please remember that anybody who doesn't pay attention to Bob the Baptist is automatically a crazy or simpleton.
There goes that irony bird again.Conservatives like Bob are born without the irony gene.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:58 am

The Second Coming is Jesus.
Is that a Mexican Porn Sequel?

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Walker » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:49 am

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:58 am
The Second Coming is Jesus.
Is that a Mexican Porn Sequel?
The rational approach:

Vile thug.

And there is no judgment in that label.

The label applies because many, many people in the world hold Jesus Christ in reverence.

That you are a vile thug is what you must be, by necessity.

If any judgment is made upon your condition, it is from the compassionate equanimity of knowing that you have no choice in action, e.g, what you write.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Harbal » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:54 am

Walker wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:49 am
That you are a vile thug is what you must be, by necessity.
This is an example of coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reason. Hobbsy may be a vile thug but it's not his fault that many people in the world hold Jesus Christ in reverence.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Walker » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:57 am

Harbal wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:54 am
Walker wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:49 am
That you are a vile thug is what you must be, by necessity.
This is an example of coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reason. Hobbsy may be a vile thug but it's not his fault that many people in the world hold Jesus Christ in reverence.
So?

What is the principle?

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Harbal » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:00 pm

Walker wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:57 am
What is the principle?
People don't have a right not to be offended.

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Re: The Second Coming of Christ.

Post by Walker » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:06 pm

Harbal wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:00 pm
Walker wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:57 am
What is the principle?
People don't have a right not to be offended.
No Harbal.
I called Hobbes a vile thug, and backed it up with rationality.
Therefore, I am the arbiter of defining the principle in play.

Therefore the principle is:
To knowingly defile is the action of a vile thug.

Christianity is ancillary to the principle.
Christianity is merely the object of the action.

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