I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

Moderators: AMod, iMod

Justintruth
Posts: 108
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:10 pm

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Justintruth » Fri May 19, 2017 1:37 am

Greatest I am wrote:
Wed May 03, 2017 8:21 pm
I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Some Muslims follow an ideology, as written in their religious writing, which allows slavery of Muslim women. This sect of Islam allows the sale of child brides to others within their cult. These people want a Caliphate that promotes and uses slavery.

The Muslim men in this slave holding cult have submitted to Allah and are eager slaves to him thanks to the pleasant heavenly gifts he promises. They believe themselves to be favored by God and hate all those who are not.

History of religion, especially Christianity, shows that when a belief is strong, even if miss-guided, ends all compromise within the believer. Thus is born Inquisitions, Jihads, Honor killing and murder of non-believers and apostates.

The assumptions that these people make of God, without any proof and based on the supernatural and the writings of imperfect men, become so arrogant, that they act as slave traders based on their beliefs without regard for moral and ethical standards. They in fact break their own reciprocity rules.

These Muslims allow this theological certainty to create a tyrannical cult of slaved men who then make second class slaves out of their female children. Naming these Muslim women and girl’s chattel would be an understatement. They are truly slaves, as Allah demands.

These Muslims imitate their slave holding master, Allah, and like all tyrants, hate all others not of their ilk. They allow their hate to push them to violence against the free people in the free world.

Islamophobia is a fear of Islam. Those who do not fear and hate this slave holding cult of Islam, along with the other inhuman and immoral policies that Islam and Sharia allow, are not moral people. Moral people will fight against slavery.

I fear that free people will not be Islamophobic enough, because of their fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobe, to rise up and give secours to the unwilling female slave of Islam.

I am proudly an Islamophobe. If you are not you might not be a moral person.

Are you a moral person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nri300CcCuE

Regards
DL
One thing for sure, whoever wrote the title of this post is playing right into the hands of Islamic extremism - and other extremisms. This is ecactly what they want. 9/11 was conducted precisely to cause this kind of response. Congratulations! You get the help Osama Bin Laden's Plan Work award. if you and they keep it up, we'll all get the war you both want. I know you probably think you can win such a war. The fact is that such wars are pure unnecessary tragedy - nobody "wins".

I've always heard that if you don't understand history you are doomed to repeat it. I just never realized how thorough our lack of understanding is. Investing a trillion dollars in history lessons just might be a good idea.

User avatar
Greta
Posts: 2485
Joined: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:10 am

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Greta » Fri May 19, 2017 4:58 am

While I abhor what I read about what Islamic extremists do, I have had only a few dealings with Muslims:

1) a hijab wearing work colleague with whom I had a funny regular banter routine. Very nice person.

2) a man who converted to Islam to marry a Muslim woman. He was a pleasant, intelligent and helpful fellow before his religion change and remained so.

3) A fellow I chatted with over a beer at a gathering of a dating website. Obviously he wasn't overly serious.

4) The owners of a Lebanese food place near an old home. When they found out it was my birthday they gave me a free dessert with my meal

5) A couple, plus the man's brother who ran a Lebanese good place not so far from where I lived. Really pleasant, fun, socialable people. We'd have long talks about life, the universe and everything. Then, in the years after 9/11 the mood changed in the shop from a happy, breezy vibe to somewhat heavy and morose. I chatted with my main pal there and he was very dark about what was happening in the world, and mightily angry about the US. Clearly depressed but repressing it. In the next few years his wife was suddenly only wearing the full Muslim cloaking and hijab, and no longer socialising and bantering with customers, although thankfully she was not in the burqa. Business slowed and then they shut shop. It was saddening.

None of this is any grounds for me having an attitude about Muslims as a general group. I've liked the ones I came to know. Any bunch of people over a billion strong are going to necessarily be incredibly diverse. Some nice, some nasty.

User avatar
vegetariantaxidermy
Posts: 5556
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
Location: Narniabiznus

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri May 19, 2017 6:07 am

Greta wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 4:58 am
While I abhor what I read about what Islamic extremists do, I have had only a few dealings with Muslims:

1) a hijab wearing work colleague with whom I had a funny regular banter routine. Very nice person.

2) a man who converted to Islam to marry a Muslim woman. He was a pleasant, intelligent and helpful fellow before his religion change and remained so.

3) A fellow I chatted with over a beer at a gathering of a dating website. Obviously he wasn't overly serious.

4) The owners of a Lebanese food place near an old home. When they found out it was my birthday they gave me a free dessert with my meal

5) A couple, plus the man's brother who ran a Lebanese good place not so far from where I lived. Really pleasant, fun, socialable people. We'd have long talks about life, the universe and everything. Then, in the years after 9/11 the mood changed in the shop from a happy, breezy vibe to somewhat heavy and morose. I chatted with my main pal there and he was very dark about what was happening in the world, and mightily angry about the US. Clearly depressed but repressing it. In the next few years his wife was suddenly only wearing the full Muslim cloaking and hijab, and no longer socialising and bantering with customers, although thankfully she was not in the burqa. Business slowed and then they shut shop. It was saddening.

None of this is any grounds for me having an attitude about Muslims as a general group. I've liked the ones I came to know. Any bunch of people over a billion strong are going to necessarily be incredibly diverse. Some nice, some nasty.
Hmm. But if only 10 percent of them (VERY conservative) are radicals, that's a heck of a lot of fucked-in-the-head nut-jobs who would happily see you blown to kingdom come. Now I wonder what percentage of secular sceptic 'atheist's would be the same? The US is to blame for the rise of radical islam, which is why it should be taking all of the muslims it has displaced.

User avatar
Seleucus
Posts: 166
Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 3:53 am

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Seleucus » Fri May 19, 2017 7:35 am

Justintruth wrote: - the new right - is just the American form of those who are using Islam in Indonesia to promote authoritarian identity politics.
This was my first impression too, but after further consideration concluded that the tradition or status quo in America is actually democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, equality of women and so on.
Justintruth wrote: I'd be glad to pitch in but there just doesn't seem like there is an exit strategy around wich people are rallying. Do you know of anyone of quality working in the universities to let light the way forward?
Supporting educational efforts in the Islamic 3rd World is one way to do this. I believe cultural development is as important as the bombing, unfortunately, Western policy has been more reliant on bombs and soldiers than books and teachers. But how can a cultural development policy be made profitable to the West? May I ask you how much you have donated to educational charities that work in the Islamic world in the past year? Have you applied for a position teaching philosophy at the American University in Afghanistan? What could motivate the kind of enlightened policies of development that Western countries pursued during the late 1800s and first half of the 20th-Century today in the absence of the frame of colonization to fiscally support the endeavor?
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:The US is to blame for the rise of radical islam, which is why it should be taking all of the muslims it has displaced.
By some accounts, Wahhabism precedes the United States by about 40 years, i.e. early 1700s. I actually see mass immigration as a continuation of colonism, but instead of exporting White people from the West, now people are imported to the West from the developing world: in either case, with the result of expanding the market. As I say just above and elsewhere, I strongly support peace keeping and forign aid as compared to a refugee system. I will grant and even advocate also that repatriation of refugees who have been enriched financially and culturally by their time in the West is one of the ways that a development in the 3rd World could be achieved in a way that it would be made profitable and desirable. Because, let's face it, as it is, Western people do not want to pay for foreign assistance, and do not want to get their hands dirty working in the 3rd World either.
Last edited by Seleucus on Fri May 19, 2017 7:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
vegetariantaxidermy
Posts: 5556
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
Location: Narniabiznus

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri May 19, 2017 7:42 am

Seleucus wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 7:35 am
Justintruth wrote: - the new right - is just the American form of those who are using Islam in Indonesia to promote authoritarian identity politics.
This was my first impression too, but after further consideration concluded that the tradition or status quo in America is actually democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, equality of women and so on.
Justintruth wrote: I'd be glad to pitch in but there just doesn't seem like there is an exit strategy around wich people are rallying. Do you know of anyone of quality working in the universities to let light the way forward?
Supporting educational efforts in the Islamic 3rd World is one way to do this. I believe cultural development is as important as the bombing, unfortunately, Western policy has been more reliant on bombs and soldiers than books and teachers. But how can a cultural development policy be made profitable to the West? May I ask you how much you have donated to educational charities that work in the Islamic world in the past year? Have you applied for a position teaching philosophy at the American University in Afghanistan? I don't mean you literally, but what would motivate the kind of enlightened policies that were pursued during the late 1800s and first half of the 20th-Century today in the absence of the matrix of colonization to fiscally support the endeavor?
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:The US is to blame for the rise of radical islam, which is why it should be taking all of the muslims it has displaced.
By some accounts, Wahhabism precedes the United States by about 40 years, i.e. early 1700s. I actually see mass immigration as a continuation of colonism, but instead of exporting White people, not people are imported from the developing world, in either case with the aim of expanding the market. As I say just above and elsewhere, I strongly support peace keeping and forign aid as compared to a refugee system. In fact, I argue that repatriation of refugees who have been enriched financially and culturally by their time in the West is one of the ways that a development in the 3rd World could be achieved in a way that it would be made profitable and desirable.
It's a bit pathetic to hark back to the 1700s. There have been long periods of stability in the interim. It's just that all the interference keeps destabilising the region. What do you mean by 'peace-keeping'?

User avatar
Seleucus
Posts: 166
Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 3:53 am

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Seleucus » Fri May 19, 2017 8:29 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:It's a bit pathetic to hark back to the 1700s. There have been long periods of stability in the interim. It's just that all the interference keeps destabilising the region. What do you mean by 'peace-keeping'?
In the normal way causation is thought of, what comes before cannot be the result of what comes after.

As for those long periods of stability interfered with by the West, could you fill that timeline in a bit? My understanding of Islamic history is maybe a little different, namely, the Western powers went to considerable effort to prop-up the Ottomans as a stable Europe and also an Imperial order was their preference, until WWI when the Ottomans switched sides and joined the Axis and were defeated. After the Wars, there was no permanent colonization or garrisoning of any Muslim country. The West again went to enormous efforts to maintain stability in what became Turkey, Persia, and the Arab states. With the exception of Iran after the revolution, this set-up of Western funding and support continues until today.

Some Western people have gone beyond what can be positive in self-criticism and have entered the area of cognitive distortion. Sometimes this is called "white guilt". It doesn't take too long living in Bangladesh to start to appreciate what is so awesome about America and American culture...

To get some leads on peace keeping, try that as a google search term, "peace keeping".

User avatar
Greta
Posts: 2485
Joined: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:10 am

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Greta » Fri May 19, 2017 1:13 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 6:07 am
Hmm. But if only 10 percent of them (VERY conservative) are radicals, that's a heck of a lot of fucked-in-the-head nut-jobs who would happily see you blown to kingdom come. Now I wonder what percentage of secular sceptic 'atheist's would be the same? The US is to blame for the rise of radical islam, which is why it should be taking all of the muslims it has displaced.
Yes, there is a crisis in Islam at the moment, just as there was a crisis in Germany, China and Russia. Every now and then a group of humans will basically go crazy. Just as individuals can become unbalanced, so clearly can entire cultures. The situation is now complicated by global communications and widespread migration. In the past the societal illnesses were more contained in geographical regions until they slowly spread out.

Then again, by that same standard the US is also struggling, seemingly irredeemably divided, and include their own "interesting 10%". I think there is a rise in unreasonableness and tribalism generally. People are increasingly not interested in globalism, just their group. In brief - too many people, not enough resources, then imbalance, unrest that will lead to more wars. Societal illnesses occur because bad ideas can easily take hold of desperate people. The desperation is the root cause, the bad ideas simply step into the ideological void left when people lose hope.

Yet equality is obviously devilishly difficult to achieve. So every now and then certain groups miss out on the spoils of progress for long enough to become bent out of shape, and then they run amok for a while until they are defeated or exhausted, or both. It's a repeating cycle and seemingly all a function of human and animal nature. Really, just nature per se.

So, yes there will be fights, both in polemic and physically, but I'll leave that to others. Really, I have more problems with neglectful governments importing millions of people and not providing equivalent infrastructure to house them. Cramming newcomers in, ballooning house prices, greatly increasing traffic and making jobs much harder for young people to get is not a great way to raise the morale of communities. Not that politicians tend to much care about how little people feel, with their focus being largely on the interests of powerful institutions.

User avatar
Immanuel Can
Posts: 3878
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:42 pm

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Immanuel Can » Fri May 19, 2017 3:54 pm

Greta wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 1:13 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 6:07 am
Hmm. But if only 10 percent of them (VERY conservative) are radicals, that's a heck of a lot of fucked-in-the-head nut-jobs who would happily see you blown to kingdom come. Now I wonder what percentage of secular sceptic 'atheist's would be the same? The US is to blame for the rise of radical islam, which is why it should be taking all of the muslims it has displaced.
Yes, there is a crisis in Islam at the moment, just as there was a crisis in Germany, China and Russia.
Not the same, though.

When we say, "There's a crisis IN Islam, I think we need to point out as well that there is a crisis WITH Islam. And that crisis is setting liberal democracies like France and Belgium, and socialist utopias like Sweden aflame. The problems IN Islam are nowhere near so urgent as those everybody else has WITH Islam.

As for the allegation that only a minority of Muslims are radicals, the only way one could possibly believe that is to a) only look at the minority of very Westernized Muslims, and b) pretend that frankly-declared radical, anti-women, anti-gay, anti-infidel (i.e. anti-Atheist), anti-Semitic and anti-West attitudes can somehow never be associated with subsequent radical actions, or any support thereof.

Neither of those is reasonable.

See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

There's the stats. What think you now? Would you be happy for such folks to achieve a democratic majority in your town? Would that work out well for you...or for anyone?

User avatar
Seleucus
Posts: 166
Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 3:53 am

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Seleucus » Fri May 19, 2017 5:09 pm

Immanuel Can wrote:The problems IN Islam are nowhere near so urgent as those everybody else has WITH Islam.
Muslim terror attacks are unfortunately pretty common in the county where I live. In the last big one in my city, the first guy shot was the same nationality, color, and religion as I am. He was shot purely based on appearance. I'm on guard when I go to malls, airports, cafes and so on.

By one count, more than 6000 people were killed my Islamic terrorists last year and that's only the big news worthy attacks, not the day in day out stuff, add six to ten maimed for life for every death, as you say, this is a very serious problem.

The fact that China, the US, or Russia also have had problems doesn't mean the problem with Islam is negated by them. That the Soviets were bloody doesn't mean Islam is all nice and cool, it means Islam has a problem, and so did the communists. This listing of the crimes of other races, religions, political movements and civilizations as can easily be inferred is projection and blaming the other and unwillingness to own responsibility. The Ancient Greeks traded in slaves, that doesn't mitigate the slave trade in Islam, it means there is a slavery problem in Islam, and, there was also a slavery problem in Ancient Greece.
Immanuel Can wrote:As for the allegation that only a minority of Muslims are radicals
We can assess this quite well by looking at attitude surveys of Muslims and also by looking at the number of people who voted for Islamist candidates when there were other options in elections in for example Egypt or Indonesia. We can then infer that the majority hold Islamist positions.
Anywhere you go Muslims are engaged in violence against their neighbors: Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore.... It's ubiquitous. There is a real and serious problem that needs to be acknowledged. That isn't to say there isn't wisdom in Islamic philosophy, Islamic poetry, in the Quran, the Hadith and Sunnah and so on. Many people who identify as Muslim are just ordinary folk. Black-and-white thinking isn't helpful, instead it is most accurate to consider particulars and details. I can agree with Ben Shapiro, Pamela Geller, Brigitte Gabriel, Gad Saad so on, and also read al-Razi, Rumi, and Ibn Khaldun. It's okay to draw inspiration from Islam and also recognize the very serious problems; we will want to avoid all or nothing thinking, over-generalization, minimalization, disqualifying the positive and other cognitive distortions about what has coalesced into two sides but is really very nuanced.
Last edited by Seleucus on Fri May 19, 2017 5:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
vegetariantaxidermy
Posts: 5556
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
Location: Narniabiznus

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri May 19, 2017 5:17 pm

Seleucus wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 8:29 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:It's a bit pathetic to hark back to the 1700s. There have been long periods of stability in the interim. It's just that all the interference keeps destabilising the region. What do you mean by 'peace-keeping'?
In the normal way causation is thought of, what comes before cannot be the result of what comes after.

As for those long periods of stability interfered with by the West, could you fill that timeline in a bit? My understanding of Islamic history is maybe a little different, namely, the Western powers went to considerable effort to prop-up the Ottomans as a stable Europe and also an Imperial order was their preference, until WWI when the Ottomans switched sides and joined the Axis and were defeated. After the Wars, there was no permanent colonization or garrisoning of any Muslim country. The West again went to enormous efforts to maintain stability in what became Turkey, Persia, and the Arab states. With the exception of Iran after the revolution, this set-up of Western funding and support continues until today.

Some Western people have gone beyond what can be positive in self-criticism and have entered the area of cognitive distortion. Sometimes this is called "white guilt". It doesn't take too long living in Bangladesh to start to appreciate what is so awesome about America and American culture...

To get some leads on peace keeping, try that as a google search term, "peace keeping".
I would say you are not a muslim's bum-hole. And there is nothing 'awesome' about American 'culture' (or is McDonald's your idea of heaven?)

User avatar
vegetariantaxidermy
Posts: 5556
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
Location: Narniabiznus

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri May 19, 2017 5:21 pm

Greta wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 1:13 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 6:07 am
Hmm. But if only 10 percent of them (VERY conservative) are radicals, that's a heck of a lot of fucked-in-the-head nut-jobs who would happily see you blown to kingdom come. Now I wonder what percentage of secular sceptic 'atheist's would be the same? The US is to blame for the rise of radical islam, which is why it should be taking all of the muslims it has displaced.
Yes, there is a crisis in Islam at the moment, just as there was a crisis in Germany, China and Russia. Every now and then a group of humans will basically go crazy. Just as individuals can become unbalanced, so clearly can entire cultures. The situation is now complicated by global communications and widespread migration. In the past the societal illnesses were more contained in geographical regions until they slowly spread out.

Then again, by that same standard the US is also struggling, seemingly irredeemably divided, and include their own "interesting 10%". I think there is a rise in unreasonableness and tribalism generally. People are increasingly not interested in globalism, just their group. In brief - too many people, not enough resources, then imbalance, unrest that will lead to more wars. Societal illnesses occur because bad ideas can easily take hold of desperate people. The desperation is the root cause, the bad ideas simply step into the ideological void left when people lose hope.

Yet equality is obviously devilishly difficult to achieve. So every now and then certain groups miss out on the spoils of progress for long enough to become bent out of shape, and then they run amok for a while until they are defeated or exhausted, or both. It's a repeating cycle and seemingly all a function of human and animal nature. Really, just nature per se.

So, yes there will be fights, both in polemic and physically, but I'll leave that to others. Really, I have more problems with neglectful governments importing millions of people and not providing equivalent infrastructure to house them. Cramming newcomers in, ballooning house prices, greatly increasing traffic and making jobs much harder for young people to get is not a great way to raise the morale of communities. Not that politicians tend to much care about how little people feel, with their focus being largely on the interests of powerful institutions.
Hmm. I said the same thing and a friendly local SJW compared me to Hitler and said I was a 'racist bigot'. I wonder if you will get the same treatment or if I will be proven right about SJWs being as hypocritical as they appear.

User avatar
Seleucus
Posts: 166
Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 3:53 am

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Seleucus » Fri May 19, 2017 5:32 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I would say you are not a muslim's bum-hole. And there is nothing 'awesome' about American 'culture' (or is McDonald's your idea of heaven?)
Not sure what your remark about muslim's means? As for America, I personally find the lunar landing, the Internet, cell phones, the Panama Canal, nuclear power, the radio, the television, the submarine, the automobile, flight, the discovery of DNA, Measles vaccine, the First Amendment, a Course in Miracles, John Singer Sargent, the Oriental Institute, Penn Museum, and on and on and on very awesome.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:SJW compared me to Hitler and said I was a 'racist bigot'.
That sort of thing is cognitive distortion: all or nothing thinking, over-generalization, minimalization, disqualifying the positive. I don't know you very well at all but to compare you to Hitler is a loss of objectivity, let us be alert not to fall into it ourselves.

User avatar
vegetariantaxidermy
Posts: 5556
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
Location: Narniabiznus

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri May 19, 2017 5:42 pm

Seleucus wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 5:32 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I would say you are not a muslim's bum-hole. And there is nothing 'awesome' about American 'culture' (or is McDonald's your idea of heaven?)
Not sure what your remark about muslim's means? As for America, I personally find the lunar landing, the Internet, cell phones, the Panama Canal, nuclear power, the radio, the television, the submarine, the automobile, flight, the discovery of DNA, Measles vaccine, the First Amendment, a Course in Miracles, John Singer Sargent, the Oriental Institute, Penn Museum, and on and on and on very awesome.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:SJW compared me to Hitler and said I was a 'racist bigot'.
That sort of thing is cognitive distortion: all or nothing thinking, over-generalization, minimalization, disqualifying the positive. I don't know you very well at all but to compare you to Hitler is a loss of objectivity, let us be alert not to fall into it ourselves.
It means you are on here pretending to be a muslim atheist who's scared to post on the internet. A pretty pathetic ruse. And imagine what the US could have done if it didn't spend most of its massive amount of money on military toys.

User avatar
Greatest I am
Posts: 1451
Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:09 pm

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Greatest I am » Fri May 19, 2017 6:07 pm

Justintruth wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 12:41 am

It might seem counterintuitive but the whole thing with the rise of political religious Christianity - the new right - is just the American form of those who are using Islam in Indonesia to promote authoritarian identity politics.

The movements are linked in some sense. In a way it seems to be that liberalism tends toward global civil society where the conservatives seem to want factional breakdown on both national and religious basis and demonize the rest.
I agree with you. So does this humorous link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYV7KWQ-fY4

Regards
DL

User avatar
Greatest I am
Posts: 1451
Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:09 pm

Re: I am an Islamophobe. If you are not, you might not be a moral person.

Post by Greatest I am » Fri May 19, 2017 6:13 pm

Greta wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 4:58 am
While I abhor what I read about what Islamic extremists do, I have had only a few dealings with Muslims:

1) a hijab wearing work colleague with whom I had a funny regular banter routine. Very nice person.

2) a man who converted to Islam to marry a Muslim woman. He was a pleasant, intelligent and helpful fellow before his religion change and remained so.

3) A fellow I chatted with over a beer at a gathering of a dating website. Obviously he wasn't overly serious.

4) The owners of a Lebanese food place near an old home. When they found out it was my birthday they gave me a free dessert with my meal

5) A couple, plus the man's brother who ran a Lebanese good place not so far from where I lived. Really pleasant, fun, socialable people. We'd have long talks about life, the universe and everything. Then, in the years after 9/11 the mood changed in the shop from a happy, breezy vibe to somewhat heavy and morose. I chatted with my main pal there and he was very dark about what was happening in the world, and mightily angry about the US. Clearly depressed but repressing it. In the next few years his wife was suddenly only wearing the full Muslim cloaking and hijab, and no longer socialising and bantering with customers, although thankfully she was not in the burqa. Business slowed and then they shut shop. It was saddening.

None of this is any grounds for me having an attitude about Muslims as a general group. I've liked the ones I came to know. Any bunch of people over a billion strong are going to necessarily be incredibly diverse. Some nice, some nasty.
Sure there are some good Muslims in some countries that do not practice the more vile side of their religion, but they all fly the star and crescent and thus all contribute to a vile Islam.

If you saw a group of S.S. soldiers, how would you tell the good ones from the ones on their way to kill you?

Since Islam is a misogynous religion and then some, you should be ashamed of yorslf for not denouncing their ideology as well as those who support it by contributing to the whole.

Regards
DL

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests