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I disagree that matter creates consciousness.

1. Matter cannot see, hear or feel whereas consciousness can.

2. Matter is limited were as consciousness is unlimited. How can that which is limited create what is unlimited? You end with what you start with. If you start with something limited, the end result will be limited.

3. Even religion agrees that consciousness creates matter as pointed out in the book of Genesis.

4. Doesn't the physical body die when consciousness leaves the body?

David

I disagree that matter creates consciousness.

1. Matter cannot see, hear or feel whereas consciousness can.

2. Matter is limited were as consciousness is unlimited. How can that which is limited create what is unlimited? You end with what you start with. If you start with something limited, the end result will be limited.

3. Even religion agrees that consciousness creates matter as pointed out in the book of Genesis.

4. Doesn't the physical body die when consciousness leaves the body?

David

Those are material phenomena so how does consciousness achieve them on it's own?


In what way is consciousness "unlimited"?


Saying that "Even religion agrees" is meaningless as what religion believes is highly contested and varies between religions anyway. Besides, the book of Genesis says a lot of things.


Do you have evidence that consciousness doesn't die with the physical body?

Do you think consciousness 'leaves the body' when you get knocked out, faint, or fall asleep? Isn't it better to think that consciousness is an activity that some brain structures 'do', at sometimes and 'don't do' at other times. For example it stops happening when you fall asleep, faint, get knocked out, pass out from overuse of recreational drugs, undergo general anaesthetic, or die.
Thinking that consciousness 'leaves the body' when you stop being conscious would be analogous to thinking movement 'leaves the car engine' when you switch off the ignition.
If we thought like that, it would make sense to ask questions like 'Where does my voice go to when I'm not singing or speaking?'. But it is easy to see that it doesn't 'go' anywhere. It just stops happening. Consciousness is the same; it's a process that sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't.. Just like singing or dancing, eating running or fighting. (only a bit more complicated).

And therein lies the answer...chaos. A 'place' where there is no 'place' for logic.

Chaos is in the mond of the beholder.
The universe abides, nonetheless

Is it. Does it. none the less? Does it really?

Yes, in other words it does not give a rat's arse about what you or I think is 'chaos'.

Succinct..nice

There are many types of consciousness. 1) There is the consciousness that keeps the heart pumping, the lungs breathing, and various organs functioning without thought - whether we are awake or sleeping. 2) There is the consciousness that makes us consciously aware of our environment when we are not sleeping. There is also the consciousness that created the physical body.

If the physical body dies, there is no need for number 1 and 2.

I didn't mention anti-matter or "anims" (as opposed to "atoms") when I asked the question: "What creates matter?" There is the possibility that consciousness and anti-matter mutually create matter. In other words, physical matter is the result of consciousness stimulating anti-matter. The "String Theory" suggests the latter.

We live in a 3 dimensional world. Yet science and mathematics points out that there are more that 3 dimensions to life. Thus, we only have a small piece of life's puzzle, yet many act as is they understand life completely.

And some choose to fill in the gaps with wild ideas.

WTF? Where? How?


No they don't. The theories that need an extra 7 or so dimensions have nothing to say about 'life' specifically.. Biology, even micro-biology, works fine with 3 dimensions of space and one of time.