How do we form thought?

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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How do we form thought?

Post by bahman » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:36 am

Forming thought is a conscious activity. We create thought based on what we perceive through our sensory system, plain forms, or based on previous thoughts or a combination. The later however only are a mature (mainly adult activity or what we mainly observe in adult) activity. The former is mainly an immature (infant activity or what we mainly observe in infant) activity. Thought is the processed form which is different from the plain form and carries relation between forms. The process is the result of integration of brain with environment.

What do you think?

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Re: How do we form thought?

Post by duszek » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:24 am

Thought is formulated in language.

We have an impulse to put words together and to see if the result is satisfactory in terms of meaning and style. If not, we formulate anew.
Finally we offer the formulated thought to an interlocutor and hope for some valuable feedback.

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Re: How do we form thought?

Post by bahman » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:55 am

duszek wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:24 am
Thought is formulated in language.
I agree. Language is in fact relation between forms.
duszek wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:24 am
We have an impulse to put words together and to see if the result is satisfactory in terms of meaning and style. If not, we formulate anew.
Finally we offer the formulated thought to an interlocutor and hope for some valuable feedback.
I agree. I however have the following questions: How a new set of words could convey a new meaning? How an interlocutor could grasp the new meaning?

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Re: How do we form thought?

Post by -1- » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:56 am

bahman wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:55 am
How a new set of words could convey a new meaning? How an interlocutor could grasp the new meaning?
A new word is first defined, by formal definition or by an informal, contextual definition, in which an example is given, via comparison. C.o. Aristotle: "comparisons always start with describing similarities and continue into describing differences."

A brand new word may be defined by demonstration "I kick you in the patootie" and kicking the person in the shoulder; that defines the word patootie as shoulders.

A brand new word may define a brand new concept, like "fpaouigaergj is the action of teaching Czech to Burmese immigrants in South California" etc.

Thoughts always form by incorporating previous thoughts. In this they share a feature with systems.

Totally original thoughts don't exist, but totally new experiences and descriptions of them do exist. In this case the only way to make the interlocutor understand a new word is by 1. describing the experience (if possible, like telling a Nigerian national what snow is like); or by making them go through the experience (for instance, running current through their bodies to appreciate the power of the active ingredient in interrogation methods.)

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Re: How do we form thought?

Post by thought addict » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:07 pm

If a human grows up isolated from other human contact, do they develop their own language? In other words, is language an instinctive, genetic skill for humans or is it predominantly something that is learned from others?

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