Trixie's Thread about Mind.

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Re: Trixie's Thread about Mind.

Post by Ginkgo » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:47 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:56 am
Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:28 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Also, I have no idea and not sure if the brain has an actual "Spot" in the brain where the neurons come into the Exact configuration that our eyes receive, ie. a "Tv screen" of the conscious mind. I remember Daniel Dennett saying that the "TV screen" existed, but I am not sure. I can't find it on google. This piece of information is crucial to the discussion.
I think this is what you were looking for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_theater

Dennett is saying that the Cartesian Theatre is a fallacy, consciousness is spread throughout the brain. In other words, there is no single spot in the brain where consciousness occurs.
Did Dennett prove this with science though.

Dennett is a philosopher not a scientist. Nonetheless, Dennett is just saying what science has known for a long time.

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Re: Trixie's Thread about Mind.

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:56 am

Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:47 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:56 am
Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:28 am


I think this is what you were looking for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_theater

Dennett is saying that the Cartesian Theatre is a fallacy, consciousness is spread throughout the brain. In other words, there is no single spot in the brain where consciousness occurs.
Did Dennett prove this with science though.

Dennett is a philosopher not a scientist. Nonetheless, Dennett is just saying what science has known for a long time.
So science can map, where consciousness is, in the brain?

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Re: Trixie's Thread about Mind.

Post by Ginkgo » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:27 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:56 am
Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:47 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:56 am

Did Dennett prove this with science though.

Dennett is a philosopher not a scientist. Nonetheless, Dennett is just saying what science has known for a long time.
So science can map, where consciousness is, in the brain?
Yes, ever since the advent of the MIR machine.

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Re: Trixie's Thread about Mind.

Post by thought addict » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:22 am

Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:47 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:56 am
Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:28 am


I think this is what you were looking for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_theater

Dennett is saying that the Cartesian Theatre is a fallacy, consciousness is spread throughout the brain. In other words, there is no single spot in the brain where consciousness occurs.
Did Dennett prove this with science though.

Dennett is a philosopher not a scientist. Nonetheless, Dennett is just saying what science has known for a long time.
Yes but that's just showing that there's probably no single physical location where an image is experienced. Just because information about the image is appearing in numerous different physical places in the brain, doesn't mean all that information can't be experienced by a single, unified consciousness.

I also said in this thread viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21166&start=165 "neurons generally speaking don't care how they are laid out in space relative to one another. What matters is how the neurons are connected to one another. You can jumble up a bundle of wires without changing the function of the circuit they form."

Also, if a consciousness can be associated with one brain at a single point and another consciousness can be associated with someone else's brain at another single point, there's no physical reason why a single consciousness can't be associated with many different points in the brain at the same time.

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Re: Trixie's Thread about Mind.

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:23 pm

Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:27 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:56 am
Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:47 am



Dennett is a philosopher not a scientist. Nonetheless, Dennett is just saying what science has known for a long time.
So science can map, where consciousness is, in the brain?
Yes, ever since the advent of the MIR machine.
It's MRI not MIR.
And MRI's don't prove jack shit about where consciousness is in the brain.

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