There ain't nobody in a body

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Dalek Prime
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by Dalek Prime » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:26 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:21 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:15 pm
Walker wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:10 pm
No time my ass.

:lol:
And they are the ones who actually believe they are at the controls .. :D
Who is this 'they' of whom you talk ? What controls ? Eh ??? What belief ?
And is rectal probing involved?

Dontaskme
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:35 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:21 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:15 pm
Walker wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:10 pm
No time my ass.

:lol:
And they are the ones who actually believe they are at the controls .. :D
Who is this 'they' of whom you talk ? What controls ? Eh ??? What belief ?
A fictional story arising in silence, are you deaf.

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marjoram_blues
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by marjoram_blues » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:37 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:35 pm
marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:21 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:15 pm


And they are the ones who actually believe they are at the controls .. :D
Who is this 'they' of whom you talk ? What controls ? Eh ??? What belief ?
A fictional story arising in silence, are you deaf.

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Eh, what's that you said ? Say it again, DAM :lol:

Dontaskme
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:38 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:14 pm
DAM, are you a dualist?

Your mind and body are inextricably.linked. One comes into being, the other does. The body dies, the awareness does as well.
Exactly...therefore there is no such thing as Non-duality.

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Once you feel you are avoided by someone, never disturb them again.

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Dontaskme
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:42 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:14 pm
DAM, are you a dualist?

Your mind and body are inextricably.linked. One comes into being, the other does. The body dies, the awareness does as well.
The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. Subject and object are only one. The barrier between them cannot be said to have broken down as a result of recent experience in the physical sciences, for this barrier does not exist. Erwin Schrodinger

marjoram_blues
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by marjoram_blues » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:45 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:26 pm
marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:21 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:15 pm


And they are the ones who actually believe they are at the controls .. :D
Who is this 'they' of whom you talk ? What controls ? Eh ??? What belief ?
And is rectal probing involved?
That would depend on whether it involved pain or pleasure, or the 'nothingness that masturbates itself'. Don't ask me !

Dalek Prime
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by Dalek Prime » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:13 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:45 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:26 pm
marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:21 pm


Who is this 'they' of whom you talk ? What controls ? Eh ??? What belief ?
And is rectal probing involved?
That would depend on whether it involved pain or pleasure, or the 'nothingness that masturbates itself'. Don't ask me !
Mmmm, prostate orgasm.... the holy grail....

Walker
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by Walker » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:24 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:38 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:14 pm
DAM, are you a dualist?

Your mind and body are inextricably.linked. One comes into being, the other does. The body dies, the awareness does as well.
Exactly...therefore there is no such thing as Non-duality.

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Once you feel you are avoided by someone, never disturb them again.

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The photograph disproves the words.

marjoram_blues
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Walker re Keller and plagiarism.

Post by marjoram_blues » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:29 pm

Cryptomnesia.

Interesting

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Re: Walker re Keller and plagiarism.

Post by Walker » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:22 pm

marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:29 pm
Cryptomnesia.

Interesting
It's possible, then again, you could be correct.

marjoram_blues
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Re: Walker re Keller and plagiarism.

Post by marjoram_blues » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:30 pm

Walker wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:22 pm
marjoram_blues wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:29 pm
Cryptomnesia.

Interesting
It's possible, then again, you could be correct.
Yup.

Dontaskme
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:34 am

Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:14 pm
DAM, are you a dualist?

Your mind and body are inextricably.linked. One comes into being, the other does. The body dies, the awareness does as well.
There is no such thing as saying..( ''there is no such 'state' as non-duality'' ).....it's like saying, (there is such a 'state' as nothingness.)

(state) being a conceptual description of some thing existing)

So, here is a Question for you.

There is something here right now that does not appear or disappear...is not born, therefore cannot die....what is that? ... the only way you can answer that question is by pointing to THAT using a concept, even though 'what that is' .. is not a concept..??

Without THAT...what ever that is....The idea of a Dalek Prime could never have appeared... honor and bow to THAT. For without that you are not.


Have fun.. :D

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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by surreptitious57 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:55 am

The thing that is here right now and does not appear or disappear and was never born and cannot die is the
thing that is the eternal NOW which human beings commonly refer to as the Universe which is ALL THERE IS
It is in a constant state of flux as every NOW is being replaced by another NOW since this is how it functions

Dontaskme
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:45 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:55 am
The thing that is here right now and does not appear or disappear and was never born and cannot die is the
thing that is the eternal NOW which human beings commonly refer to as the Universe which is ALL THERE IS
It is in a constant state of flux as every NOW is being replaced by another NOW since this is how it functions
I hear what you are saying...although I wouldn't say NOW can be replaced, it's a fixed NOW, an unchanging eternal place where everything appears to happen, while actual NOW cannot happen...yet everything happens in it...it's the divine paradox.

Now is not replaced by another now, there is no such thing as another now. There is only timeless NOW...

Moments in the NOW are appearances of change perceived as time, time being a conceptual MOVEMENT WITHIN STILLNESS ...as dictated by the concept of yesterday is followed by a today ...this conceptualised mentation is a notion that points to a reality that must be predetermined. In that what comes today is only ever a seamless follow on from what came before, an effect of a prior causeless causer in action. The NOW being one unitary action...of which re-actions appear in it, as pre-determined.

The future cannot come, the future is always this ever unfolding now in constant flux. The fixed place / space in which every thing happens and does not happen. That which start and ends, aka the conceptualised world of things happening and time is an illusion inseparable from the eternal timeless NOW in which nothing ever happened.

Eternity and Infinity are both completely present NOW.

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THE EMPTINESS (awareness now) is the place from where 'I' look upon myself as a consciousness illuminating experience as and through the mind/body/organism the instrument of doing/functioning.

We are Infinite BEINGNESS having a human BEING experience....

Infinite beingness gets to play all roles...since it is inseparable from ..

am i the role I'm playing ?- or 'AM I' playing the role?

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surreptitious57
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Re: There ain't nobody in a body

Post by surreptitious57 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:49 pm

One can define NOW as either an eternal block of time or as infinitesimal periods of time constantly being replaced by
other infinitesimal periods of time. But the difference is academic for NOW shall carry on happening regardless of how
one chooses to think of it. I myself prefer to think of it as an eternal block of time because this is easier to understand

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