surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:10 pm
Sight is not the only sense and neither is it even the pre dominant one in all
organisms since any sense organ can be responsible for experiencing objects
Sorry for the long post...
Sight has given birth to the idea there is a someone looking at an object seen. And now that someone wants to know how seeing happens by trying to study what it is that is doing the seeing...without realising that the looker is not the object it sees, but insistently looks for the source of seeing in the object..it's a bit of a bootstrap dilemma...
But something else is going on here...it's as if something wanted to know and experience itself. . . but that agent is not going to be found in the object...which leaves us with no thing to work with...so all we have left is the invisible...and most of us instinctively know that is who we are at the very core of our being.
If it hadn't been for sight, science would not have been able to make all their amazing discoveries, or know anything. Science can measure reality by what they see, but they fail when it comes to measuring consciousness the very act of perceiving an object itself.
The Nondual speakers have said that what is looked for ..is already what's looking, and what's looking can't be seen by what's looking. So this tells us that an objects location cannot be traced since they are inseparable from the looker.
There are many descriptions as there are grains of sand as to how or where consciousness comes from, but those can only point us to what we ultimately want to know, they cannot point to the actual knower . . just as an arrow can point just about anywhere and everywhere..it can never point directly to itself. Science do not appear to be happy with that conclusion. It's like they cannot accept the fact that there are no answers, there are only endless questions that cannot be answered, if they could be answered, there would be no need for a question ever again, if the answer was here, the question wouldn't even arise. . . so what we have here is an energy that seems to want to question itself repeatedly...it's like energy just wants to dance itself dizzy around in circles for ever and ever never going anywhere....this is the final truth.
. . the thing is, humans are not making consciousness happen, no thing can be seen to be making consciousness happen, and yet here it is happening, and that there appears to be no thing known about what is making it happen.. human beings seem to believe they can know what is making it happen..that's is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced, that an idea can know it's origin...the truth is it can't...but humans who are just an idea themselves, will never stop believing that they will eventually know or have the answer to the hard problem of consciousness...but this will just be an energetic dance of ideas about ideas about ideas...etc..
Advaita have already submitted to the truth, but it seems the truth does not want to be heard by some of us.
And in my opinion, that consciousness is a fact, is what makes it divine, the very idea that life is living itself and that it got off it's own unknowable starting block is proof of a divine intelligent agent at work....and it's not human, the human is an idea born of this unknown divine intelligence which does not claim authorship of copyright over it's masterpiece...and why should it, it is it...already being it.
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