How our experiences could be local?
How our experiences could be local?
This is an amazing phenomena. Suppose that you burn your finger. Your nerves in your finger send signals to your brain. Your brain process the signals and produce feeling of pain in your finger. The interesting question is that your experience of pain is local. How such a thing is possible?
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Re: How our experiences could be local?
I'd not be able to make any sense out of the idea that it could NOT be local. Even if something occurred everywhere, it would have location, first off--it would have every location, of course. Obviously, though, someone burning their finger doesn't occur everywhere. And it certainly doesn't occur nowhere. That would be incoherent, because after all, well, we're positing someone having an experience of burning their finger.
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Not sure I understand what the issue is? The nerves in your finger are your brain, it's all one CNS. The signal sent contains the location data which is why when fully processed the sensation of a pain is that of a pain in the finger.bahman wrote:This is an amazing phenomena. Suppose that you burn your finger. Your nerves in your finger send signals to your brain. Your brain process the signals and produce feeling of pain in your finger. The interesting question is that your experience of pain is local. How such a thing is possible?
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I used to have a great technique, of convincing myself that a burn in the finger has nothing to do with me because it is way over there in my finger and not where I am, in my head.bahman wrote:This is an amazing phenomena. Suppose that you burn your finger. Your nerves in your finger send signals to your brain. Your brain process the signals and produce feeling of pain in your finger. The interesting question is that your experience of pain is local. How such a thing is possible?
Try it some time. Pain is only a quale.
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Re: How our experiences could be local?
The brain signals where the injury location is. Phantom pain is still possible if the same nerve pathway is firing, though the limb is gone.
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The interesting point is that there is not any pain in finger. Pain is the result of process of signal received from the finger.
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The experience isn't located at your finger, but the injury is.bahman wrote:The interesting point is that there is not any pain in finger. Pain is the result of process of signal received from the finger.
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Re: How our experiences could be local?
the event, the perception of said event, the interpretation of the perception of said event...
all that remains is a rapidly fading memory...
locality is merely another event
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all that remains is a rapidly fading memory...
locality is merely another event
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Then how do you know where the pain is?bahman wrote:The interesting point is that there is not any pain in finger. ...
Pain is an interesting phenomenon but I think you should stop thinking of a 'brain' and more of a CNS.Pain is the result of process of signal received from the finger.
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I know that. The brain fantastically simulate the pain such that it seems that pain is in the place of the injury. That is an amazing phenomena to me. Isn't it to you?Terrapin Station wrote:The experience isn't located at your finger, but the injury is.bahman wrote: The interesting point is that there is not any pain in finger. Pain is the result of process of signal received from the finger.
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The brain process the signals which receive from the finger such that so it seems that there is a pain in the place of injury.Arising_uk wrote:Then how do you know where the pain is?bahman wrote: The interesting point is that there is not any pain in finger. ...
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Re: How our experiences could be local?
It's certainly handy that it works so well.bahman wrote:I know that. The brain fantastically simulate the pain such that it seems that pain is in the place of the injury. That is an amazing phenomena to me. Isn't it to you?Terrapin Station wrote:The experience isn't located at your finger, but the injury is.bahman wrote: The interesting point is that there is not any pain in finger. Pain is the result of process of signal received from the finger.
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To me it would be fantastic and a bit absurd if the brain located the pain anywhere other than at the injury. Of course that could be useful in public, if the injury was to the groin, and the person grabbed their head.bahman wrote:I know that. The brain fantastically simulate the pain such that it seems that pain is in the place of the injury. That is an amazing phenomena to me. Isn't it to you?Terrapin Station wrote:The experience isn't located at your finger, but the injury is.bahman wrote: The interesting point is that there is not any pain in finger. Pain is the result of process of signal received from the finger.
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