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Please clarify.Philosophy Explorer wrote:It would seem so. I equate consciousness with existence which would imply I have limited free will, otherwise who is doing the willing?
PhilX
What don't you understand?tbieter wrote:Please clarify.Philosophy Explorer wrote:It would seem so. I equate consciousness with existence which would imply I have limited free will, otherwise who is doing the willing?
PhilX
Consciousness guarantees limited free will while unconsciousness may or may not, depending.tbieter wrote:Does an unconscious thing have a will?
"Free-will" equates to "conscious control". Neither exists. So then we are left with just being 'experiencing machines', nothing more.Philosophy Explorer wrote:Does not having free will mean there's no consciousness?
Do you believe in limited free will? Do you believe in " I think, therefore I exist?" as free will would lead to thinking. Are you conscious of yourself?RG1 wrote:"Free-will" equates to "conscious control". Neither exists. So then we are left with just being 'experiencing machines', nothing more.Philosophy Explorer wrote:Does not having free will mean there's no consciousness?
The word "consciousness" was invented to create a feel-good experience; to create an aura of mystical-ness; to satisfy the desires of autonomy and specialness.
"Consciousness" is nothing more than "experiences".
No, there is no free-will at all.Philosophy Explorer wrote: Do you believe in limited free will?
Well, since we really don’t “think” (create thoughts), as we can only ‘experience’ thoughts. So I believe “I experience thoughts (and feelings and sensory awareness), therefore I (the experiencer) exist.Philosophy Explorer wrote:Do you believe in "I think, therefore I exist?" as free will would lead to thinking
If you mean, can I experience myself? Then no, not possible. I can only experience experiences, not objects themselves directly.Philosophy Explorer wrote:Are you conscious of yourself?
There's no reason with why you should equate consciousness with existence. Do you even have a solid meaning behind talking about "existence"? Or did you mean to say that consciousness "implies" existence, so that your actual question is whether or not consciousness (of something) should imply the existence (of something)... ?Philosophy Explorer wrote:I equate consciousness with existence
PhilX
It's not so much equating existence to consciousness; existence is the precursor to consciousness. And as I experience, it doesn't matter whether I am capable of choosing the experience or not. I'm still aware of it.The Voice of Time wrote:There's no reason with why you should equate consciousness with existence. Do you even have a solid meaning behind talking about "existence"? Or did you mean to say that consciousness "implies" existence, so that your actual question is whether or not consciousness (of something) should imply the existence (of something)... ?Philosophy Explorer wrote:I equate consciousness with existence
PhilX
There is no existence out there, except what the subjective puts there. Consciousness is the connecting link between subjective nature(unconscious awareness) and the object known (consciousness).Philosophy Explorer wrote:I equate consciousness with existence
PhilX
They sound very closely related to me. If, as you say, 'existence' refers to 'things', I only know of things if I am conscious of them.daramantus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:20 am Nope. consciousness is not existence. Both are totally distinct topics and has different meaning and definitions, are separate topics for they are not even related. existence emans something is existent, and has existence, in comparison to something which doesn't.
Consciousness is what you have now that makes you conscious of your surroundings.
If that was the case, then we cannot say of anything that is doesn't exist. There may be fairies and unicorns and flying teapots all over the place - we just haven't, or can't, discover them. And, if there is no connection between things existing and our being conscious of them, who is to say that those newly discovered planets exist?Existence 'out there' would simply mean, an object 'out there' in Italia, that you're not seeing, observing, being conscious or aware of or knowing about its existence, and yet, the object, remains as it is, it has existence. that's why we find new planets that was never discovered before, because they exist, without anyone noticing, knowing r being aware of them.
You have shifted your ground. There is a difference between saying CONSCIOUSNESS DO NOT EQUAL EXISTENCE and what you said earlier:daramantus wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:22 am
Existence, means to exist, have inherent existence. To have its own substance, huh? who is saying anything about unicorns here? Of course consciousness DO NOT equal EXISTENCE, both are totally distinct topics and that's not even debatable. You have consciousness, and you do exist, the tree has no consciousness. but still 'exist' in its way.
CONSCIOUSNESS DO NOT EQUAL EXISTENCE.
Certainly the two words 'consciousness' and 'existence' are not synonyms, but they are 'related'.Both are totally distinct topics and has different meaning and definitions, are separate topics for they are not even related.