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My measure is natural rights & Natural Law. And what is that other than what just happens to seem right or wrong to you? And what is it about you are a free man with a natural, inalienable right to your, and no other's, life, liberty, and property you find objectionable or disputable or wrong? ...

His conclusions (the state of the world) are spot on. I don't agree, however, the dissolution of Christendom, in and of itsel f, is at the root of the current state of the world. Thanks for your straightforward answer. For me, I think I get where he's coming from, but it's less black and white than...

One thing to be wary of is Mr. Con's standard ploy of trying to draw you into alternative arguments (insisting that you define the word "justice," for example) in an effort to distract you from the only argument that actually matters . _______ I haven't seen anything said on this thread s...

Show me someone who knows how to use deductive reason beginning with our source and gradually devolving down to explain the human condition and I'll gladly listen. Do you claim to know how to do such a thing? If so, then please go ahead, and I'll try to understand, but not uncritically. In other wo...

I would rather live in a free country than a dying country on the secular path to slavery by the educated elite caught up in their own ignorance and hypocrisy. Show me someone who knows how to use deductive reason beginning with our source and gradually devolving down to explain the human condition...

If IC believes in a personal God, and his philosophy offers him meaning and purpose as a nice guy, why does it bother you? It isn't a matter of arguing over what is wrong for me but in finding the right approach which satisfies mind, body, and spirit. In other words; our being allowing it to develo...

suffering is a necessity Necessitated by what? You don't believe in a personal God, so it can't be necessitated by God. By what/whom, or in virtue of what, then? suffering is justice which we can lessen through conscience inviting the Spirit You don't believe in a personal God, so presumably you do...

I'm more of a Christian Platonists so I don't believe in a personal God punishing us. Understood, but that (intentionally or not) simply avoids the question. What if there was a personal God punishing us, as Immanuel Can believes? In that case, in your opinion, would eternal, unimaginable punishmen...

If you answer my question (quoted above), then I'll answer yours, otherwise not. Honest and reasonable standards of engagement expected. I presume you mean this: Yes. It's unfair. I am not attacking religious principles in general, only the principle that eternal, unimaginable punishment for finite...

I am not attacking religious principles in general, only the principle that eternal, unimaginable punishment for finite transgressions is loving and just. Surely, Nick agrees with this?! Harry, is the suffering of Samsara in Buddhism and Hinduism unjust or evil? If you answer my question (quoted ab...

No. There is something in the truths of religious princIples that compels many to attack them with negative emotions. Sure, but Harry is not *many* Harry is Harry. As I said your comment was unfair and very inaccurate. Yes. It's unfair. I am not attacking religious principles in general, only the p...

Or it could mean leaving the cave enables us to understand the purpose and value of Christianity. I'm sure that any value in Christianity is attainable in other ways. "The extreme greatness of Christianity lies in the fact that it does not seek a supernatural remedy for suffering but a superna...

True, but if human standards are defined by life in Plato's Cave, is it possible for a higher form of standards a human being has the potential to understand and adopt? I think that coming out of the cave is about leaving things like Christianity behind. Or it could mean leaving the cave enables us...

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:40 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:37 pm People try to judge Christianity by human standards

That's probably because most people are human, Nick.

True, but if human standards are defined by life in Plato's Cave, is it possible for a higher form of standards a human being has the potential to understand and adopt?

Immanuel wrote : That is the situation of many who were raised in Western civilization. Theyr'e oblivious to where they've come from, and to the inherited values that have made their own concerns even cogent to them. They think they invented themselves. “Two things are infinite: the universe and hu...