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And how do you suppose your theory/philosophy, whatever you want to call it, is going to make the world a better place? It is revealing the singular fundamental source of all problems and suffering, and the cure. The cure is to silence thought. The voice in consciousness is deceiving you and all of...

Still the greatest philosopher of all time. Never mind that, but why is his billiard table deep neon blue? It's royal purple. And how much pool have you played? Is there any reason why it shouldn't be the color it is (it couldn't possibly be any other color and if you knew as much as you think you ...

His analogy gets even more wrong when we consider that life is seen as negentropic. (At the expense of the entropy of the environment.)

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:22 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:16 pm You haven't ever actually looked up "heat-death" prior to this discussion, have you.

Well, somebody hasn't. That much is pretty clear.

Still nothing about the actual end / actual death of the universe, in case of heat death. Keep looking.

It's a final, eternal state. Not an actual end, not an actual death. :roll: If you knew anything about the term "heat death," you'd know it's a metaphor...and not one I invented, but one in common use in science. It was invented by Lord Kelvin (yes, that "kelvin") in 1851. You'v...

I see you don't know the term. Britannica can help. "The example of a heat engine illustrates one of the many ways in which the second law of thermodynamics can be applied...if the universe is an isolated system, then its entropy too must increase with time. Indeed, the implication is that the...

Yes, it would: entropy shows there's a finite amount of order in the universe, and that it's declining at a measurable, predictable rate. In other words, decay happens. Unless something of miraculous and super-scientific provenance intervenes to interrupt or reverse entropy, the universe will predi...

Right. So your claim I'm lying is obviously...untrue. :shock: You do believe in entropy, and that means that there is empirical evidence that the universe had a beginning and empirical evidence that it will have an end. No, it's simply a blatant lie from you that increase in entropy means that we h...

Were that true, it would change nothing. If entropy is happening, it would not matter if it declined quickly, slowly or both. All that would change is the rate, not the fact of entropy. Your theory could, perhaps, slow our estimated down or speed them up: but given enough time, exactly the same res...

So you don't believe in entropy? You don't think the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is true? Good news: that means you're not getting older, and you're never going to die. :wink: That didn't make much sense. The universe isn't known to have a finite lifecycle, like lifeforms here on Earth do. And even w...

Wait, it gets even worse when we try to predict what will eventually happen to the universe. Not only does the general expansion rate of the universe seems to have changed at least 3-4 times in the past already, but now some scientists are wondering if it doesn't expand uniformly either. Were that ...

IC is simply lying, we have no empirical evidence that the universe began. So you don't believe in entropy? You don't think the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is true? Good news: that means you're not getting older, and you're never going to die. :wink: That didn't make much sense. The universe isn't kn...

But we have never empirically observed a universe coming to an end, have we? You are deducing that the universe will end because you can't think of a reason why it shouldn't, but you can't know for sure that there is no reason. Alternatively, maybe God also suffers from entropy, if entropy is alway...

And the universe, we also know, had a beginning. We know it not just deductively, but empirically, because of entropy. Entropy is observable, measurable, and quantifiable. But we have never empirically observed a universe coming to an end, have we? You are deducing that the universe will end becaus...

I know the universe is alive because I am alive and I am part of the universe. I know the universe has consciousness because I have consciousness and I am part of the universe. I know the universe is cat because my cat is part of the universe. I know the universe is ice cream because my ice cream i...