Well, "religion" is something in which I have no interest, but reality is quite important. So you might have to take your case where it's more appropriate, I guess.
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- Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:13 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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- Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:32 pm
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
I'm quite satisfied with the quality of my logic, but I can see why you don't think much of it. 🙂 If you think there's such a thing as "my logic" or "your logic," as opposed to just "logic," then you don't know what real logic is. The idea is as absurd as saying, "...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:22 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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No, I'm happy to be judged on what I've already said on the matter. "Happy" or not, what should be quite clear to you is that you're not being logical. But okay; if being "happy" is the goal, I'll take your word for it that you've arrived. I'm quite satisfied with the quality of...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:21 pm
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As time is the interval between two points, and points are features of the material world, when there is no material substance in existence then there is no such thing as time. It's not certain that any material substance exists at all, as any idealist will tell you. You don't take that seriously. ...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:48 pm
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- Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:33 pm
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Okay, so God didn't create a predetermined universe, and you say nothing else could have done it, so we are left with what I suspected all along. God doesn't know what the future will be,... That doesn't follow. "Know" and "make happen" or "predetermine" are different ...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:33 pm
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...what do you think time is? Well, it has different definitions. What sort are you looking for? You could say it's the interval in traversing between two points. That's a technical and geometric definition. You could say it's a measure of the rate of entropy. That would be a scientific one. You co...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:45 am
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But that isn't what I've been saying, and I have gone to great lengths to make that clear. God's knowing means that things must be predetermined, but I'm not saying they have been predetermined by God. And yet, that just creates a regression problem. If there's something prior to God, something cap...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:58 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
So your belief that God's knowing means that He's predetermined everything is wrong. But that isn't what I've been saying, and I have gone to great lengths to make that clear. God's knowing means that things must be predetermined, but I'm not saying they have been predetermined by God. And yet, tha...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:14 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
That's not an argument. :? My argument is simple: one can't make a valid syllogism that supposes what you're supposing: namely, that "doing" and "knowing" are entailed in each other. How have you arrived at the conclusion that I am supposing that? :? Because unless it's true, th...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:21 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
It cannot be both the case that God knows everything I will do, and that I have free will; those two things contradict each other. No, because "what I will do" is about "doing," and what "God knows" is about "knowing." That's not an argument. :? My argument i...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:20 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
A person can most definitely predict without knowing, there is an entire gambling industry predicated on exactly that. If his prediction were ever to be 100% guaranteed to be correct every time, as God's is, then it's certainly a form of knowing. There would be no important distinction between know...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:39 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
My point is that God could only know the future if the future was fixed, but I'm not saying God fixed it. Then what are you saying? Because then you're the existence of some being you're referring to as "god" but definitely isn't. That doesn't add up. I can't work out what that is suppose...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:36 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
My point is that God could only know the future if the future was fixed, but I'm not saying God fixed it. Then what are you saying? Because then you're the existence of some being you're referring to as "god" but definitely isn't. That doesn't add up. But we might also note that one can &...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:29 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
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If your god changes his actions, then there is before and after and he is subject to time. No, I don't agree. I'll go through your other issues, but so this doesn't get lost: what do you think time is? Well, it has different definitions. What sort are you looking for? You could say it's the interva...