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by Immanuel Can
Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:13 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

But man's freedom to be good is not all or nothing. Each person can be relatively free to be a good person. One of the means to be free to be a good person is to understand one's own emotional reactions. In a world without God, the term "good person" means nothing. Why shouldn't a person be "bad" i...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:09 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

No. I mean that the physicalist must accept that the human person is not the buck-stopping point of the causal chain. Materialism has to hold that "a human chose to do X" is not a good explanation, because "chose" must be nothing but a failed way to describe the previous causal chain. Again, kindly...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:45 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

But I think that points to the deeper problem : namely that Materialism is existentially bankrupt. It is the most desolate and sad of all dogmas really : no morals no purpose no teleology no hope no soul no God and no person I think you are conflating materialism with nihilism No. But they're relat...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:23 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

I did not quote you word for word. If I have misunderstood your belief you should tell me what your belief is. That's funny. :lol: How would I know what you "misunderstood" until after you "misunderstood" it? I'm afraid it's just one area in which you will just have to go ahead of me. If God is omn...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:45 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

But I think that points to the deeper problem: namely, that Materialism is existentially bankrupt. It's the most desolate and sad of all dogmas, not a dogma really: Sure it is. You have to believe it, though Materialism itself cannot warrant itself...it has to be taken on faith. no morals plenty of...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:11 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

But what I am also demonstrating I would hope is that the physicalist or materialist view is not a happy one and results in some very very unsavoury consequences. That does not in itself make it a wrong explanation but it does mean that anyone who is willing to buy it consistently is Any position I...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:27 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

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davidm wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:22 pm
I, myself, have never met a compatibilist who pulled such a card. I have to wonder if you know the definition of compatibilism.
I have to wonder what you mean by "Compatibilism" too.

Please enlighten me.
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: 100% Proof That Gods Do Not Exist
Replies: 343
Views: 3363

Re: 100% Proof That Gods Do Not Exist

You say they relate to ' the variable of how much information is potentially involved in each case -- if at all.' That makes no sense. All I meant was that some people would say a "guess" was more certain than a "shot," and less information-rich than a "probability calculation" or "scientific test....
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:17 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Belinda wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:41 am
Also, Immanuel, how is it that your god is omnipotent yet unnecessary?
Point to where I said either, and I'll happily tell you. You need to explain what you mean by "omnipotent," since it's your word, and I did not use it. And then, for "unnecessary," I certainly did not say that.
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:08 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

My bold throughout. You seem to imply that a physical human with physical mechanism for making choices is not genuinely human. Why is that? Are you claiming this is what a physicalist must accept? No. I mean that the physicalist must accept that the human person is not the buck-stopping point of th...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:56 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

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It is possible that compatibilists are wrong -- but they surely do not say, "Well, somehow, mysteriously, these things turn out to be compatible." What do you imagine them as saying? Every one I've ever talked to pulls the "profound mystery" card. But if you know a different line, then spin it.
by Immanuel Can
Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:38 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

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I already knew this. :roll: Then why did you call them closet determinists -- as if they were hiding their determinism? Oh, that's easy. They DO hide it. If they didn't, they'd just say, "We are Determinists." What they want to be "compatible" is free will with Determinism. They don't want to lose ...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:21 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

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davidm wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:52 pm
Yes! Compatibilists are determinists! Not closet determinists! -- full, out-of-the-closet, pro-determinist marriage determinists! Hooray for your staggering insight!
I already knew this. :roll:
by Immanuel Can
Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:19 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: 100% Proof That Gods Do Not Exist
Replies: 343
Views: 3363

Re: 100% Proof That Gods Do Not Exist

I did not even ad hom him So you didn't write the words: In any case, it is quite clear that Plantinga is deliberately equivocating between the natural language sense and the modal sense of "possible" -- which makes him dishonest. He is hoping to wow the hoi-polloi with word games. :shock: :shock: ...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:11 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1072
Views: 18809

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

"Conscious control" is irrelevant to determinism v. indeterminism. You're stuck in the weird theist loop in thinking that humans matter to the universe, apparently. No, that is true. People could never "matter to the universe," since "the universe" refers only to a physical causal system. Whether d...