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by Immanuel Can
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:10 am
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God by Theodore Drange
Replies: 61
Views: 315

Re: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God by Theodore Drange

-1- wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:03 pm
because he does not exist.
You forgot this latter part of your argument.
Your conclusion is presumed there, not demonstrated. But you know that, I'm sure.
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:02 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God by Theodore Drange
Replies: 61
Views: 315

Re: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God by Theodore Drange

Hence the obsession with the Münchhausen Trillema most atheists "logicians" have. You are right, it is strictly emotional, and unfortunately it reflects into their logic. It just gets boring after awhile hereing "atheism this...", "God doesn't exist...that". Its the same thing over and over again.....
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:24 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God by Theodore Drange
Replies: 61
Views: 315

Re: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God by Theodore Drange

I[t] would be better if they just stated: "I hate God because I believe God hates me." I understand that Richard Dawkins claims to have arrived at his Atheism at the ripe old age of 15. Now, whatever else you can say about RD, you can't say he came to his position on the basis of his extensive biol...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:14 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?
Replies: 52
Views: 316

Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Tracie does bring up a valid point, why does God allow suffering in the first place rather than just preventing it. This Is a different question, if also an important one. GIA supposes God's "ways" as he/she puts it, should be termed actively "immoral". But now you raise another question: if immora...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:09 am
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God by Theodore Drange
Replies: 61
Views: 315

Re: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God by Theodore Drange

The argument from non-belief makes no sense. Just because God doesn't force people to believe in Christianity doesn't mean he doesn't exist. I could say the same for all other religions out there. The argument from Evil presupposes that there is an equal or greater amount of evil than good. If it o...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:59 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?
Replies: 52
Views: 316

Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

But on the opposite side, it is equally absurd to indict "the powers that be" for negative outcomes that are clearly performed by humans, bacteria, or other merely material agencies. I actually agree with you that they shouldn't blame him for the bad things, either. What I was getting at, is to nei...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:56 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?
Replies: 52
Views: 316

Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Test that idea and tell us if God does the moral thing when he kills instead of curing us. Gee...I would have thought it was a bacterium, a bullet, or an angry jihadi that was killing "us." :lol: To be fair, there are quite a number of theists who thank god for good things when human activity was c...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:25 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1245
Views: 39838

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Determinism relative freedom Free Will absolute freedom Not according to Causal Determinism. And not according to the various proponents of free will, either. But I see the problem. You're defining CD as "whatever Belinda thinks is the case," and "free will" as " an unrealistic and absolute freedom...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:18 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?
Replies: 52
Views: 316

Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Greatest I am wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:16 pm
Test that idea and tell us if God does the moral thing when he kills instead of curing us.
Gee...I would have thought it was a bacterium, a bullet, or an angry jihadi that was killing "us." :lol:
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:47 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?
Replies: 52
Views: 316

Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

Absurdly, GIA supposes he knows of a standard of "morality" greater than that exhibited by the Supreme Being. He would need that, if he were to have any criteria for judging the Supreme Being as "immoral."

Now, where would he get such a thing? :shock:
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:55 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1245
Views: 39838

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Of course, this long, in-depth article, with which I am quite familiar, is framing the issue in the above, and not taking a stand on it. Nobody says anybody in the IEP was "taking a stand" on it. They were defining it. And the definition was what was in question between Belinda and I. Nobody was ap...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:05 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1245
Views: 39838

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

If your choice is not caused or determined by the physical world, it must be caused by something psychological - else it is random. This may well be (and I think it is) a fallacy of equivocation. What we mean when we say material things "cause" something to happen is not what we mean when we say a ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:02 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Hello.
Replies: 14
Views: 245

Re: Hello.

Me? I subscribe to free will because it means I DO have the power to make choices that matter. Yeah, me too. I would guess there are different motives for wanting to believe in Determinism, ranging from a sincere inability to conceive of the universe beyond material causality, all the way to a desi...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1245
Views: 39838

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

It matters, not because of "Free Will" but because choosing is where freedom is, the more choices there are: the more the freedom. But Causal Determinism says there's really no such thing as "freedom" anyway, so the reason you're giving doesn't count to them. All is causally predetermined, they say...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:05 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1245
Views: 39838

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

But with CD, you don't "choose" at all. And you cannot "learn" anything other that what you were causally determined to know. So everything is the result of cause and effect, except us? We cannot be a cause, we cannot change the world - we are only allowed to be an effect! Right. That's what CD wou...