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by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:09 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

To know who the real "Harbal" is, I'd have to know you. Harbal, like God, is a fictitious character. Harbal isn't feasible in the real World and neither is God. Of course he's a fictitious character. But I don't have another name for you, so it will have to do, won't it? That's why an Atheist or ag...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:00 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

I don't know the expression "a bunch of people". If you mean an aggregate of people then you are quite wrong. A society is an aggregate of people who are organised together for a significant duration. Yes? That also describes a "cult," an "army," and every nation ever conceived. It's hard to imagin...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:43 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

I can. At least, I can show beyond any reasonable doubt that his god is not my God, so he's following something that's not God. He would say the same of you, No doubt. He would say I was not submissive to Allah, and he'd be absolutely right. how are the rest of us to know which one of you, if any, ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:54 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

That would be a good argument, IF you could show that the jihadi was actually following God. No, it would be a bad argument if you could show that he wasn't actually following God. I can. At least, I can show beyond any reasonable doubt that his god is not my God, so he's following something that's...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:51 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

The leaders of the society, the common people, all people who rely upon others in communal efforts such as trading, professional services, selling one's labour for reward and so on, will say that the antisocial man is wrong. (IC replied) So what? If you'll pardon me, what is it about having a clust...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:13 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

Harbal wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:09 pm
Immanuel Can wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:57 pm
Harbal wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:52 pm

You are missing the point.
I must be too.
Yes you are.
Then the point is...?
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

That word "abominable" is a very strong moral pejorative. And while I agree you are right to use it (in the case, say, of jihadis or conquistadors), I can't see where an Atheist or agnostic would find the legitimative basis to show it was warranted. You say that the conscience is not a reliable pro...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

Immanuel Can wrote: Right. And if one of those Atheists decides his "self-preservation" is made better by not having to "reciprocate" kindnesses he has received from others, but rather from exploiting their beneficence while having none to perform of his own, who is there who will say he's "wrong"?...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:57 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

Just because one believes that God wants them to do one thing, doesn't mean that's what God wants them to do, or that it's morally right by God's standards. You are missing the point. I must be too. It seems to me that that is exactly the point. If God exists, why would we assume that everybody who...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:58 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

Sure, reciprocity may exist You're not paying attention, the answer is "reciprocity." Non-answer. You forgot the follow-up question. Why is any Atheist morally obligated to reciprocate anything? Sure, reciprocity may exist within the realm of Atheists as a means of self-preservation, but there is n...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:54 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

And yet, if "in compliance with their conscience" means "automatically morally good," I'm not making any claims about the quality of the morality that stems from the conscience, but neither would I accept that anything claimed to be the will of God is automatically morally creditworthy. What code o...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:11 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:23 am
if we're Atheists? Nobody's ever been able to give me a reason. Maybe you can.
You're not paying attention, the answer is "reciprocity."
Non-answer. You forgot the follow-up question.

Why is any Atheist morally obligated to reciprocate anything?
by Immanuel Can
Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:30 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

But even though you would surely insist humans are just a kind of animal, you seem to feel some special responsibility devolves upon us to care.... :shock: ...absolutely! As a mind which has retreated behind a 2000 year old text when morality was dictated by local customs, I’m not in the least surp...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:30 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

...all your misconceptions and denigrations of Nietzsche. I have not denigrated Nietzsche. I've disagreed with some of what he says, but made common cause with him where possible. But had I denigrated him, it would not make a shred of difference to the main point: a point which you seem to throw co...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:22 pm
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: What Is The Meaning Of Life?
Replies: 256
Views: 4573

Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

Sorry I misunderstood. My fault, entirely. But there's still an important difference. For the conscience may well be like a defective fire alarm -- going off when there's really no "fire," Yes it can, but that can also apply to judgement, in this case, the judgement leading to belief in God. Belief...