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by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 9:51 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I once had a brother-in-law like you, he wasn't religious or anything silly like that, but he couldn't be honest to save his life. :| What on earth is "dishonest" about the above? You asked for MY answer, not one you had prepared in your own mind, presumably. I gave you MY answer. And sin...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 9:50 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 92
Views: 1233

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

If you were asked why stealing is wrong, what would you say? Because stealing is incommensurable with the character and will of God. But you will say, "Well, there's no God." I would have to say that; otherwise I would be lying, which I consider to be morally wrong. But would only be a su...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 7:45 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

You absolutely dare not set about trying to justify your belief in objective morality, dare you? Done already. Were you asleep? I have said all I can possibly say about my view of why morality is purely subjective,... And therefore, it is nothing. That's my point. It's just Nihilism-for-those-afrai...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 7:43 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 92
Views: 1233

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

And you can't suggest one moral value that objectivism can necessitate for one rational person, either. Sure I can. Objectivism says it's immoral to steal, for example. Your only problem with that is presumptive: that is, that not believing in God, you do not believe in any Lawgiver or Ultimate Aut...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 7:13 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

And you're not avoiding? :) 8) No. I'm asking a perfectly fair question, which I've asked you several times, and which you've never once been able to answer. So who's "avoiding" now? :? Just a reminder of my previous post: I saw it. But it contained a variety of untruths and misrepresenta...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 7:03 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I don't know what human "nature" is. I'm simply saying that kindness usually begets reciprocation and cooperation usually benefits everyone. Human nature is a very simple concept. All it means is that people have, in common, certain tendencies and liabilities. I'm surprised you haven't ru...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 7:02 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 92
Views: 1233

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Ah, we're back to Rotherham again. It's as if you think I'm somehow responsible for that unfortunate Rotherham incident. :( Not at all, of course. But your justified antipathy to what they did is what's telling...it says that you realize that not everybody participates in the same moral values. So ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 4:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

And I know perfectly well that you will never accept anything I say about the subjective nature of morality, With good reason: as I've shown, it can't even make sense for the Subjectivist , and even when we grant him all his suppositions from the get-go. but I have enough confidence in my position ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 4:44 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 92
Views: 1233

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Please explain how "objective" morality is going to protect me from being robbed, raped etc....... "Prevent"? Nobody can prevent a Rotherham gang member from committing rape. Ah, we're back to Rotherham again. It's as if you think I'm somehow responsible for that unfortunate Rot...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 4:36 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I'd love to believe that if humans are kind to each other and solve problems through cooperation instead of warfare, that would be reward enough for engaging in kindness and cooperation. I take it you don't believe that is so? If humans were universally kind, we would have no need of laws or morali...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 3:08 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

My only purpose here is to argue that there are no such things as objective moral truths; hence objective morality is an impossibility. So if objective morality is out of the conversation, I have no reason to take part in the conversation. As far as I'm concerned, you persistence in avoiding the mo...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:54 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

My only purpose here is to argue that there are no such things as objective moral truths; hence objective morality is an impossibility. So if objective morality is out of the conversation, I have no reason to take part in the conversation. As far as I'm concerned, you persistence in avoiding the mo...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:49 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 92
Views: 1233

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Not wanting to be robbed, raped, enslaved, killed, cheated, oppressed, denied access, excluded, abused or slighted are all subjective preferences, aren't they? 🤔 They are, but not only that. If that's all they are, then you have no right at all not to be robbed, raped, enslaved, killed, cheated, op...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:34 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9866
Views: 901497

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

...you are completely unable to show how objective morality exists, or even how it could possibly exist. There is no such thing as objective moral truth. What we're doing, at the moment is allowing for the sake of argument that what you say is true . So objective morality is out of the conversation...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:20 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 92
Views: 1233

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Why would anyone want to be in a position to tell anyone what their moral position should be??? Because they don't want to be treated unjustly. They would prefer not to be robbed, raped, enslaved, or killed. Likewise, and more subtly, you also don't want to be cheated, oppressed, denied access, exc...