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by Immanuel Can
Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:15 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: There is no such thing as knowing
Replies: 169
Views: 70597

Re: There is no such thing as knowing

Philosophers have traditionally drawn a distinction between 'knowing how' and 'knowing that' and concentrated investigations epistemological on 'knowing that' Russel further classifying this as knowledge by acquaintance and knowledge by description. But I contend that there is only 'knowing how' Do...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:12 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

...this formula approaches zero, no matter *what* p is - unless p is exactly 0. In other words, probabilistically, Adam and Eve had effectively no chance of avoiding succumbing to temptation *eventually*, unless they were wholly purified from evil to start with. Again, this hardly seems like a &quo...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:23 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

'Do you think [your reaction to my role] might be, "Oh, it's OK, Harry, I absolve you of responsibility - after all, you didn't predestine your android, and it had genuine free will"? Or do you think it might be a little more like, "Harry, how could you, you perverse man!? You *knew*...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:00 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

I'm not sure how you avoid a scalar moral landscape on your own view: surely a person, action, character, inclination or impulse might conform more or less to the character of God, and might distract, detract or diminish the supreme value in the universe -- relatedness to God -- more or less? Well,...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

It seems to me that you have two responses to this line of reasoning open to you: Yes, that's the typical way the Euthryphro Dilemma is presented. However, as I've suggested, the either-or it posits is what we call a "false dichotomy." A third alternative not considered by Plato is availa...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:22 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

No harm done, Harry. I'm sure I'll foul up something sooner or later.

:oops: :D
by Immanuel Can
Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:39 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

Immanuel Can wrote: For example, it's widely believed that not only was satan cast out of heaven, but that a third of all angels were expelled with him, they apparently started a war with god, and subsequently were banished along with satan to be his demonic assistants. But in other texts concernin...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:13 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

Emanuel, you stated in a previous post that there is no such thing as an evil act, and that what we call evil is simply an act that is lacking in goodness. I think this is the usual way a theist avoids considering that ether god is not all good, or that god is not all powerful, but either way it is...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:08 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

3. Freedom. I provided (in this post) the analogy of a "free will android" which harmed your family in a very personal way, and I asked you what your response to such a thing would be. You asked me in a later post whether there was anything I would like you to go back to, and I indicated ...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:55 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

2. The question and nature of evil. I explained as clearly as I could (in this post) why I believe that evil is not the mere absence of good: because good's mere absence could just as well lead to mere "neutrality" as to "evil". I even offered an example of a person who could be...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:47 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

1. The goodness of God based on his basic nature. What I argued was that given your re-framing of God as "being" good rather than merely (as in the original Euthyphro Dilemma) "proclaiming" good, we might re-frame the Euthyphro question as "Is God good because we simply def...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:35 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

Hello, Harry, and thank you, James. It's really a great pleasure to deal with such reflective and circumspect interlocutors. Now, Harry, as to our joint book... :D James is right, inasmuch as he sees we are hitting on some points repeatedly and persistently, yet without much progress: and while It s...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:46 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

You did not respond to my elaborations on my argument that God's foreknowledge + creation entails at least *some* degree of creatorial responsibility for everything, including the free will decisions of His creatures, given that He foreknew them in advance, with the possibility of altering them bas...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:33 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

Something like *that* I might accept as a process leading to "genuine" choice; there might be "genuine" freedom in that process. I would be utterly shocked and aghast if, following a process like that, anybody actually *did* choose hell, but if they did, it would be as genuine a...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:59 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 45191

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

I think it needs to be stated up-front that the "fact" of the choice being between "relationship with God" and "death, immorality, darkness, lies, etc" is one that a powerful Creator would have to take responsibility for. It need not be this way. There are certainly ot...