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I'm not worried about arguing that. So that is your position on the argument for objective morality, is it, you've decided not to attempt one? No. I'll even go over the many arguments I've offered before, if you like If you think you have an argument that is remotely convincing, to see it is what I...

What "personal experience" convinces you that you've encountered what morality is, and how have you established that it was "subjective"? And what do you do with the fact that a "subjective" view of morality makes the whole idea of morality itself ridiculous, because i...

Well, as soon as we dispatch with Subjectivism, maybe we'll talk about that. But let's see Subjectivism stand on its own feet, first -- if it's a credible view, it really should be able to do that. I'm not going to change my mind about the subjective nature of morality, because I know what it is fr...

You haven't read much of what I've said. This isn't my first rodeo here, you know. :wink: Okay, I haven't seen an argument, and I doubt that you could come up with an even slightly persuasive one. Well, as soon as we dispatch with Subjectivism, maybe we'll talk about that. But let's see Subjectivis...

The first statement is true, plausibly; the second, verifiably not. There is page after page here of me arguing, with reasons, for objective morality. You haven't got an argument. You haven't read much of what I've said. This isn't my first rodeo here, you know. :wink: Okay, I haven't seen an argum...

The first statement is true, plausibly; the second, verifiably not. There is page after page here of me arguing, with reasons, for objective morality. You haven't got an argument. All you've got is, there is a God, and he decides what's moral and what's not. That's it; that's all you've got. That's...

You have said absolutely nothing to change my view, and you have said absolutely nothing to support your own. The first statement is true, plausibly; the second, verifiably not. There is page after page here of me arguing, with reasons, for objective morality. You haven't got an argument. All you'v...

We have spent enough time putting my version of morality up against the wall for you to shoot at... Is it dead yet? If not, why not? I've shown that logically, it makes no sense at all, even on its own terms. Why is it still kicking? :? You have said absolutely nothing to change my view, and you ha...

Then you "incorporate" an idea that isn't even possibly true. It's incoherent -- The words, "true" and "coherent", are not applicable. They're applicable to everything, so long as it's true and applicable. If your version of morality isn't true or applicable, then exac...

I'm not talking about the incoherent concept you think "morality" is, that's for sure. No, it isn't what I think morality is; it is what morality is to me, and to a good many others here, it seems. Then you "incorporate" an idea that isn't even possibly true. It's incoherent -- ...

It isn't, actually. Because you haven't established that any of those opinions are actually "moral." I know for sure that I have feelings about right and wrong, and that is what morality is, and that is what I am referring to when I talk about morality. You are obviously talking about som...

No God, no morality. If you think otherwise, just show what I asked you to show: that you can justify one moral precept. Just one . Any one , with no reference to objectivity. We know that everybody has subjective moral opinions, so the only question is, is there any other kind of morality; It isn'...

No God, no morality. If you think otherwise, just show what I asked you to show: that you can justify one moral precept. Just one . Any one , with no reference to objectivity. We know that everybody has subjective moral opinions, so the only question is, is there any other kind of morality; one tha...

None you will admit, anyway. But yeah, there is. No there isn't. Yeah, there is. But you have to allow the evidence to be recognized as evidence. If you just gratuitiously insist there's none, and never look, then not surprisingly, you'll remain convinced of that. But the deficiency won't be in the...

It looks like the discussion now hinges on whether God exists. If there is no God, there’s no morality. Since there’s no such thing as objective morality and furthermore subjective morality is subjective and worthless, God is either worthless or doesn’t exist. IC's claims about morality are inextri...