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That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral truths, and that morality is all subjective, but then act as if their own beliefs are mostly objectively true anyway. 8) I don't imagine the average person makes the objective/subjective distinction. But, as the saying g...

If He's fictitious, it doesn't matter what you follow. There's no obligation to follow anything...not even your own whims. Even so, I think I will follow my whims, just in case they turn out to be objectively true. 🙂 That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral tru...

Even the inventor of a subjective axiom is not morally obligated to follow it. So it isn't, in any intelligible sense at all, a "moral" edict. It's simply an arbitrary whim...a twinge. So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god? 🤔 If He's fictit...

seeds wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:01 pm

"...Make Earth Medieval Again..." (MEMA)


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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 9:23 pm Even the inventor of a subjective axiom is not morally obligated to follow it. So it isn't, in any intelligible sense at all, a "moral" edict. It's simply an arbitrary whim...a twinge.

So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 8:33 pm
For objective morality, your agreement is not required. Moral truth will proceed, regardless of you.

Proceed to be ignored by those who don't happen to agree with it, and who may even have an alternative objective morality of their own, you mean?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 8:02 pm Plato, Aristotle — mere children when I reflect on my own attainments.

Except nobody is likely to remember you for more than five minutes after they log out of the forum.

My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody else should be concerned about what you think. That's definitional, since you believe that morality is entirely made up by individuals....

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:38 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:34 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm
Ironic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.

That's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.

Well, we're going to see about that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:23 am No one can make you reasonable.

Ironic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.

That's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.

Nobody has to be concerned about what you think is right or wrong -- remember? That applies to anyone without authority of some kind. My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody e...

Whether you "think" X or Y is right or wrong has zero impact on what God knows is actually right or wrong in a given situation. And what you say God knows about right or wrong has zero impact on what I think is right or wrong. Nobody has to be concerned about what you think is right or wr...

I'm gratified, actually. Talking with you has exposed to me the right route for debunking Subjectivism. And that, for me, has been the whole value of the debate in the first place: to improve our mutual understanding of the situation. We can both see Subjectivism's Achilles heel clearly. I'm quite ...

Because it means there's an independent Center of meaning. Things are right and wrong not because people think they are, but because they actually are, in their relation to the Center. That makes objectivity possible. Absent God as the Center, there's nothing one can invent that can substitute and ...

Actually, belief in Subjectivism won't change any facts. That's the truth. And now it's obvious you aren't really a Subjectivist at all. That should please you. 🙂 I'm gratified, actually. Talking with you has exposed to me the right route for debunking Subjectivism. And that, for me, has been the w...