Can you give us an example of an objectivist's reasoning regarding the wrongness of stealing?
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- Mon May 06, 2024 1:40 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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- Mon May 06, 2024 1:26 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
So by what other means can it be determined?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 12:34 amNone, by way of Subjectivism.
- Mon May 06, 2024 1:23 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Because you have no way of knowing if it's even "moral." Subjectivism can't reveal that to you. Of course I have a way of knowing. We all know that stealing is a moral issue, so if I have feelings about stealing, I know I have feelings about a moral issue. The thief has different feelings...
- Mon May 06, 2024 12:15 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? I think your idea of working morality is the sort that would enable you, for example, to tell others how they should behave. Because if one person subject...
- Mon May 06, 2024 12:04 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Yes. Because he has no idea why he has that twinge. And if it's just a twinge, he has no justification to trust it at all...anymore than a twinge of hunger, or lust, or rage, or greed, or any other twinge. That doesn't answer the question. If my moral feelings motivate my actions, then my moral fun...
- Sun May 05, 2024 11:20 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? Yes. Because he has no idea why he has that twinge. And if it's just a twinge, he has no justificati...
- Sun May 05, 2024 11:15 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
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Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
You have said absolutely nothing so far to show that objective moral truth is even possible, I've done better. I've shown that Subjectivism is im possible. It has no moral content. And I have shown that it does have moral content. The fact that the moral content could vary widely in quality is not ...
- Sun May 05, 2024 10:52 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? I think your idea of working morality is the sort that would enable you, for example, to tell others...
- Sun May 05, 2024 10:30 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9803
- Views: 897027
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? I think your idea of working morality is the sort that would enable you, for example, to tell others...
- Sun May 05, 2024 10:21 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 75
- Views: 1047
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
That's how dumb Subjectivism is. Practiced consistently, it will not even give you warrant for an assessment of Trump at all. You'd have to convert to Objectivism to have any coherent way to do that. Okay, give me some relevant objective moral facts on which to base a "proper" moral asses...
- Sun May 05, 2024 9:39 pm
- Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
- Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
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Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Just one of the great mysteries of life, I guess.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:10 pm I have yet to encounter women who have read some Nietzsche and become intellectually intoxicated. I wonder why that is?
- Sun May 05, 2024 8:25 pm
- Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
- Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
- Replies: 746
- Views: 42519
Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Do you think it's intentional, or did he just forget to pull his zip up?Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:19 pmI could suggest — it is reasonable — that you are projecting.
- Sun May 05, 2024 7:59 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 75
- Views: 1047
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
That's only because they're actually not Subjectivists. Just like you're not. What they actually believe is that their most prized values (such as Trump-hating or abortion-supporting ) are objective and compulsory for all right-thinking people, but that they don't want to have to honour objective m...
- Sun May 05, 2024 9:01 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 75
- Views: 1047
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
Meanwhile, by the light of Moral Subjectivism, he remains a perfectly moral option for everybody else, Apparently not, according to some of the other comments on this thread. That's only because they're actually not Subjectivists. Just like you're not. What they actually believe is that their most ...
- Sun May 05, 2024 12:21 am
- Forum: The Lounge
- Topic: What's your favorite verse from a song?
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