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by Harbal
Thu May 09, 2024 5:43 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 146
Views: 1714

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Nobody is bound by your twinges, either, I'm very pleased to say? Nobody is bound by ANY twinges. That's why Subjectivism does no moral "work" at all. It doesn't enable a social structure, it doesn't inform a justice system, it doesn't govern relationships among neighbours, it doesn't ins...
by Harbal
Thu May 09, 2024 4:44 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 146
Views: 1714

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Nobody is bound by ANY twinges. That's why Subjectivism does no moral "work" at all. So you think that all the people who formulate our laws, or are responsible for codes of conduct within various public bodies are adhering to some objective moral rulebook? :? If they're not responding to...
by Harbal
Thu May 09, 2024 3:33 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 146
Views: 1714

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Of course you are. It's just that nobody else has to. Even you don't have to, as soon as you have a different twinge, in fact. So we're not really bound by any...what's the word...oh, yeah..."morality." :wink: Nobody is bound by your twinges, either, I'm very pleased to say? Nobody is bou...
by Harbal
Thu May 09, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Current Reads: What is Everyone Reading?
Replies: 185
Views: 123618

Re: Current Reads: What is Everyone Reading?

Zenita01 wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 2:20 pm Develop the Leader within You 2.0 by John Maxwell;
Do you want to lead anybody in particular, or will anyone do?
by Harbal
Thu May 09, 2024 10:33 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: FDP: "Rocks has Oughtness"
Replies: 6
Views: 54

Re: FDP: "Rocks has Oughtness"

I have argued; There is an inherent "oughtness to breathe" within all humans; (Details of my argument is all over in this section of the forum) i.e. this oughtness is driven by a neural algorithm which is supported by physical neurons and neural network, thus biological. In parallel to th...
by Harbal
Thu May 09, 2024 8:00 am
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 146
Views: 1714

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

I hate to point this out, but if morality is subjective, so is your belief in rights. Rights are a moral concept, not one you can glean from objective observation. And I hate to point this out to you, but I am free to believe in, and value, whatever I like. Of course you are. It's just that nobody ...
by Harbal
Wed May 08, 2024 11:35 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 146
Views: 1714

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

That's because while opinions are subjective, the process of voting is objective. Yet another reason why Subjectivism is stupid: it ignores the impact of what you do on other people. The point is, our place in society, and our rights, have nothing to do with the subjectivity of our morality. I hate...
by Harbal
Wed May 08, 2024 8:23 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 146
Views: 1714

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Yes, he does. And that's just fine: every American citizen should have that right. But to suppose that any argument against any candidate that is made by a Subjectivist means something important...that's quite a different question. But you told him nobody has to take any notice of his subjective op...
by Harbal
Wed May 08, 2024 7:56 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 146
Views: 1714

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Right. That's the Subjectivist problem. Nothing they affirm in the moral realm has any logical obligation for anybody else. He still gets to vote, though. Yes, he does. And that's just fine: every American citizen should have that right. But to suppose that any argument against any candidate that i...
by Harbal
Wed May 08, 2024 6:23 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 146
Views: 1714

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Immanuel Can wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 5:47 pm
commonsense wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 5:36 pm no one is obligated to follow my morality,
Right. That's the Subjectivist problem. Nothing they affirm in the moral realm has any logical obligation for anybody else.
He still gets to vote, though.
by Harbal
Wed May 08, 2024 4:33 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10009
Views: 916888

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Yes. Always trust the Anthony Faucis of the world. They're "the Science." :roll: On a tangential note, there's a Biblical principle that says basically, "if you rebuild something you just destroyed, you prove you screwed up." (Gal. 2:18). So we should ask the people who believed...
by Harbal
Wed May 08, 2024 4:04 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10009
Views: 916888

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Science. Don't trust science, whatever you do. :shock: Yes. Always trust the Anthony Faucis of the world. They're "the Science." :roll: On a tangential note, there's a Biblical principle that says basically, "if you rebuild something you just destroyed, you prove you screwed up."...
by Harbal
Wed May 08, 2024 2:29 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10009
Views: 916888

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Let's start at the start. I did suggest this, but at the time you were less in favour. If we want to start at the real beginning, the beginning of my "establishing" of things was the gospels, not Genesis. Anyway... "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth." Do yo...
by Harbal
Wed May 08, 2024 11:38 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10009
Views: 916888

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Will Bouwman wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 11:12 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 11:27 pm"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth."
Do you have any objective source other than the Bible to corroborate this?
The original planning application is to be found in the archives of Eden Parish Council.
by Harbal
Tue May 07, 2024 11:35 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10009
Views: 916888

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Immanuel Can wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 11:27 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 10:28 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 10:05 pmI don't "shy" away from any such thing, actually.
Oh good. So what is factual about Genesis?
Let's start at the start.

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth."
How many heavens?