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I gave you my working definition of what murder is, what is yours? I'm interested in this "objective" definition you have. What is the objective definition of murder? The objective definition is "premeditated killing." You forgot the "unlawful" bit. Man is created in t...

Heh. :D I'm not "repealing" anything. We're talking about what's moral, not what the local laws will let you get away with. We are talking about your applying technically incorrect terms to things in order to make them sound like something they are not. Well what we know morality "is...

No, it only makes it legal. Like beating slaves to death or lopping off the heads of French kings -- also formerly made legal -- it's still murder. I admire your ambition. You started by revising all the dictionaries to your liking, and now you've moved on to repealing the law. Heh. :D I'm not &quo...

Just because somebody human legalizes something doesn't make it moral. Of course it doesn't, but it does make abortion not murder. No, it only makes it legal. Like beating slaves to death or lopping off the heads of French kings -- also formerly made legal -- it's still murder. I admire your ambiti...

Wait. So it's not okay for men to commit premeditated murder. But it IS okay for women to murder? :shock: Just bear in mind that legal abortion isn't murder, Gary. Tell him to look it up in a law book if he doesn't believe you. Just because somebody human legalizes something doesn't make it moral. ...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 5:52 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 5:34 pm I would leave it up to the female.

Wait. So it's not okay for men to commit premeditated murder. But it IS okay for women to murder?

Just bear in mind that legal abortion isn't murder, Gary. Tell him to look it up in a law book if he doesn't believe you.

See my attached question, and we'll know what he's asking, and what I'm asking him. You've told him that the abortion would be murdering a child, but you haven't said why murdering a child is morally wrong. You don't think murder is morally wrong? Generally speaking, it is my opinion that murder is...

They're not rape abortions, or incest abortions, or anything of that kind. Less than 1% are those. So if you will begin by agreeing with me that 99% of abortions are immoral, I'll answer your question for you. You haven't told him why you think they are immoral, so how does he know what he is being...

They're not rape abortions, or incest abortions, or anything of that kind. Less than 1% are those. So if you will begin by agreeing with me that 99% of abortions are immoral, I'll answer your question for you. You haven't told him why you think they are immoral, so how does he know what he is being...

They're not rape abortions, or incest abortions, or anything of that kind. Less than 1% are those. So if you will begin by agreeing with me that 99% of abortions are immoral, I'll answer your question for you. You haven't told him why you think they are immoral, so how does he know what he is being...

It's funny...I embark on a proof, and all you can say is that "I'm not doing it." :shock: Well, I guess we'll have to throw the ball back in your court, and ask what it is you would accept as proof of objective morality. I'm ready to try, if you can say what you'd ever accept... :? I gave...

Yep. The most modest and minimal request that could ever be made of something genuinely "moral." That's all. Just that. And still, you cannot do it. Point made. I think the point he is making is that you can't do it, either, and I have to say I agree with him. It's funny...I embark on a p...

An excuse. You were only asked for one thing. One. It could not be simpler for you, and still, you cannot do it. QED. And you have been repeatedly asked for a single objective moral rule. Yep. The most modest and minimal request that could ever be made of something genuinely "moral." That...

It really is. It’s the ur-answer. If a supernatural power — ... And this is the moment you depart from Philosophy and retreat into a fantasy world of your own making. It is true that to entertain or believe what I suggested will jettison me from a particular and perhaps dominant strain in modern ph...

I genuinely believe that slavery is wrong, but I can't give you a rational explanation for that belief. I can give you a rational explanation as to why I don't want to be enslaved, but I can't give one for why it is wrong for anyone else to be. Now all you have to do is provide the rational explana...