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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 6:40 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 6:33 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 6:20 pm
That's what you mean. What was your question to me?

What question?

Oh. You were just unilaterally declaring in favour of extramarital sexual congress? Why did you want to bring that up here?

That's just the way I am.

So you didn't mean to imply sex with somebody you're not married to? You meant something "completely different"? :shock: "Completely"? What did you mean, then? If two people, of either opposite or same sex, engage in sexual activity and are not married to each other, or ever int...

I've explained why I think objective moral truth is an impossibility, and I am content with that. Can somebody please, post a link to the post where Harbal explained it. Because I can't find it. TIA It is spread throughout the thread. I wouldn't bother looking if I were you, you won't agree with an...

You have done what you usually do. You have replaced the situation I gave you with something completely different. So you didn't mean to imply sex with somebody you're not married to? You meant something "completely different"? :shock: "Completely"? What did you mean, then? If t...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 5:23 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 5:16 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 5:09 pm
No Subjectivist, I suspect, would be happy...........

The happiness of Subjectivists, whoever they are, is no concern of mine.

Right. That's what a Subjectivist would say. His present happiness determines everything.

I wouldn't know.

Prove that, the way I've showed that Subjectivism is irrational. I've explained why I think objective moral truth is an impossibility, I disagree. I know you do. I can live with it. I said nothing about extramarital sex, or cheating on a spouse, I said sex outside of marriage, which means sex betwe...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 5:09 pm
No Subjectivist, I suspect, would be happy...........

The happiness of Subjectivists, whoever they are, is no concern of mine.

Maybe that means, "It's an objective fact that there are many things that people call 'moralities.'" And that would be true, of course; but it doesn't mean there are many 'moralities' that are all objectively moral . As far as I am concerned, "objectively moral", is a contradict...

Not at all. All I've asked of those words is the bare minimum: that when we use those words, we use them of a view that gives at least one person one piece of moral information. And obviously, Subjectivism fails even that. :shock: This is a standard dictionary definition for morality: a set of pers...

But you're not all bad, AJ. You're just not in a place in life to accept the broken. Such is life. None of us can make life (edit: or rather the world) something it is not. Everything has its time, and then declines. The Roma Empire, the British Empire, communism, Christianity... Nothing lasts fore...

I don't think we are on quite the same wavelength, so it might be a good time to quit. 🙂 What would put us on the same wavelength? We just seem to think differently, so we probably can't occupy the same wavelength. Do you agree that there are objective facts about human behavior? Yes. Do you agree ...

As far as I am concerned, "objectively moral", is a contradiction in terms. Objectivity is the default position. Everything's objective. My desires. Your desires. The fact that your desires conflict with my desires. Objective facts everywhere. There's no contradiction until you make up th...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:31 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:59 pm Yes. It could always be worse. Be thankful you're not stuck in AJ's world. What an utterly depressing thought.

And your world?

If Gary thinks your word seems more depressing than his, I think you need to start worrying.

But to know which facts about human behaviour are relevant to morality, there would first need to be established a set of principles by which to judge it, wouldn't there? Principles like, say, it is wrong to unnecessarily harm another human being. Your first principle already states the 'wrongness'...

'Objective morality' doesn't necessarily mean 'universal morality'. There can be many objective moralities. Can you explain what you mean by that? Maybe that means, "It's an objective fact that there are many things that people call 'moralities.'" And that would be true, of course; but it...