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phyllo wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:34 am The objectivist offers reasons why something is moral or immoral. The subjectivist offers only his own feelings.

Can you give us an example of an objectivist's reasoning regarding the wrongness of stealing?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 12:34 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 12:15 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 11:30 pm
Nicely and concisely put.

So if one person objectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and another person subjectively thinks stealing is morally right, what way is there to determine who is correct?

None, by way of Subjectivism.

So by what other means can it be determined?

Because you have no way of knowing if it's even "moral." Subjectivism can't reveal that to you. Of course I have a way of knowing. We all know that stealing is a moral issue, so if I have feelings about stealing, I know I have feelings about a moral issue. The thief has different feelings...

If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? I think your idea of working morality is the sort that would enable you, for example, to tell others how they should behave. Because if one person subject...

Yes. Because he has no idea why he has that twinge. And if it's just a twinge, he has no justification to trust it at all...anymore than a twinge of hunger, or lust, or rage, or greed, or any other twinge. That doesn't answer the question. If my moral feelings motivate my actions, then my moral fun...

My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? Yes. Because he has no idea why he has that twinge. And if it's just a twinge, he has no justificati...

You have said absolutely nothing so far to show that objective moral truth is even possible, I've done better. I've shown that Subjectivism is im possible. It has no moral content. And I have shown that it does have moral content. The fact that the moral content could vary widely in quality is not ...

My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? I think your idea of working morality is the sort that would enable you, for example, to tell others...

My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? I think your idea of working morality is the sort that would enable you, for example, to tell others...

That's how dumb Subjectivism is. Practiced consistently, it will not even give you warrant for an assessment of Trump at all. You'd have to convert to Objectivism to have any coherent way to do that. Okay, give me some relevant objective moral facts on which to base a "proper" moral asses...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:10 pm I have yet to encounter women who have read some Nietzsche and become intellectually intoxicated. I wonder why that is?

Just one of the great mysteries of life, I guess.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:19 pm

Lorikeet wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:56 pm … a narcissistic arrogance is always part of a charlatan's MO.

I could suggest — it is reasonable — that you are projecting.

Do you think it's intentional, or did he just forget to pull his zip up?

That's only because they're actually not Subjectivists. Just like you're not. What they actually believe is that their most prized values (such as Trump-hating or abortion-supporting ) are objective and compulsory for all right-thinking people, but that they don't want to have to honour objective m...

Meanwhile, by the light of Moral Subjectivism, he remains a perfectly moral option for everybody else, Apparently not, according to some of the other comments on this thread. That's only because they're actually not Subjectivists. Just like you're not. What they actually believe is that their most ...

Walker wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 11:33 pm Lots of favorites.


“On a clear day
Rise and look around you
And you will see who you are”

Does rain affect your vision, Walker?