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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 8:02 pm Plato, Aristotle — mere children when I reflect on my own attainments.

Except nobody is likely to remember you for more than five minutes after they log out of the forum.

My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody else should be concerned about what you think. That's definitional, since you believe that morality is entirely made up by individuals....

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:38 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:34 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm
Ironic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.

That's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.

Well, we're going to see about that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:23 am No one can make you reasonable.

Ironic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.

That's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.

Nobody has to be concerned about what you think is right or wrong -- remember? That applies to anyone without authority of some kind. My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody e...

Whether you "think" X or Y is right or wrong has zero impact on what God knows is actually right or wrong in a given situation. And what you say God knows about right or wrong has zero impact on what I think is right or wrong. Nobody has to be concerned about what you think is right or wr...

I'm gratified, actually. Talking with you has exposed to me the right route for debunking Subjectivism. And that, for me, has been the whole value of the debate in the first place: to improve our mutual understanding of the situation. We can both see Subjectivism's Achilles heel clearly. I'm quite ...

Because it means there's an independent Center of meaning. Things are right and wrong not because people think they are, but because they actually are, in their relation to the Center. That makes objectivity possible. Absent God as the Center, there's nothing one can invent that can substitute and ...

Actually, belief in Subjectivism won't change any facts. That's the truth. And now it's obvious you aren't really a Subjectivist at all. That should please you. 🙂 I'm gratified, actually. Talking with you has exposed to me the right route for debunking Subjectivism. And that, for me, has been the w...

Easy. Then all morality is fake. Nihilism follows. I don't see what meaning God gives to anything. Because it means there's an independent Center of meaning. Things are right and wrong not because people think they are, but because they actually are, in their relation to the Center. That makes obje...

If everybody does it, then everybody knows Subjectivism is false. They just don't perhaps know WHY it is false. But they know. And even if they can't say, they ACT as if it's false, anyway. It doesn't matter what you say, it won't change anything. Actually, belief in Subjectivism won't change any f...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:20 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:12 pm Or what if there is no God at all? Then what?

Easy. Then all morality is fake. Nihilism follows.

I don't see what meaning God gives to anything.

I think morality is objective. That means it exists independent of your assessment. Right will be right, even when you don't know it; and wrong will be wrong, whether you know it or not. But your appeal to Moral Objectivity is derived from your desire to impose your own moral intuitions on others, ...

You just can't help yourself, can you? You are a Moral Objectivist, even while pleading you're not. Okay, so where do you suppose I'm getting my objective morality from? I think morality is objective. That means it exists independent of your assessment. Right will be right, even when you don't know...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:55 pm You just can't help yourself, can you? You are a Moral Objectivist, even while pleading you're not.

Okay, so where do you suppose I'm getting my objective morality from?