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But you're not all bad, AJ. You're just not in a place in life to accept the broken. Such is life. None of us can make life (edit: or rather the world) something it is not. Everything has its time, and then declines. The Roma Empire, the British Empire, communism, Christianity... Nothing lasts fore...

I don't think we are on quite the same wavelength, so it might be a good time to quit. 🙂 What would put us on the same wavelength? We just seem to think differently, so we probably can't occupy the same wavelength. Do you agree that there are objective facts about human behavior? Yes. Do you agree ...

As far as I am concerned, "objectively moral", is a contradiction in terms. Objectivity is the default position. Everything's objective. My desires. Your desires. The fact that your desires conflict with my desires. Objective facts everywhere. There's no contradiction until you make up th...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:31 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:59 pm Yes. It could always be worse. Be thankful you're not stuck in AJ's world. What an utterly depressing thought.

And your world?

If Gary thinks your word seems more depressing than his, I think you need to start worrying.

But to know which facts about human behaviour are relevant to morality, there would first need to be established a set of principles by which to judge it, wouldn't there? Principles like, say, it is wrong to unnecessarily harm another human being. Your first principle already states the 'wrongness'...

'Objective morality' doesn't necessarily mean 'universal morality'. There can be many objective moralities. Can you explain what you mean by that? Maybe that means, "It's an objective fact that there are many things that people call 'moralities.'" And that would be true, of course; but it...

I mean it's possible to establish many standards of correct conduct. In the same way that "stopping at red lights at intersections" is an objective standard of conduct. One can have other standards of conduct at intersections ... roundabouts, various configurations of stop signs, yield si...

Oh, I'm quite clear. But you can't even give me one moral precept Subjectivism would rationalize for even one person. That's pretty obvious evidence that Subjectivism has nothing to offer us in regards to morality. You have redefined the words, "morality" and "moral", to your ow...

So, in order to be a proper Catholic, you have to not mind being treated like a child. Interesting. 🤔 Catholicism in that sense has to speak to everyone. The child, the woman, the adolescent, the adult. There are many levels in it. From the basic and crudely pictorial to the intellectually sophisti...

So, in order to be a proper Catholic, you have to not mind being treated like a child. Interesting.

'Objective morality' doesn't necessarily mean 'universal morality'. There can be many objective moralities. Can you explain what you mean by that? I mean it's possible to establish many standards of correct conduct. In the same way that "stopping at red lights at intersections" is an obje...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 11:45 am Theology class for Harbal!

A sin is an act that •offends God•.

And that's it, is it, that is all we are allowed to know?

But — taking the issue more seriously — I have been working my way through a Baltimore Catechism (1892 or thereabouts). It is extraordinary to me how demanding a •true• Catholic life is. In the domain of sexuality it is really true: fornication is regarded as sinful. In fact (I do not have the exac...

phyllo wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 11:24 am 'Objective morality' doesn't necessarily mean 'universal morality'. There can be many objective moralities.

Can you explain what you mean by that?

It seems clear that you don't really understand what morality actually is, and you are confusing it with something else. Oh, I'm quite clear. But you can't even give me one moral precept Subjectivism would rationalize for even one person. That's pretty obvious evidence that Subjectivism has nothing...