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- Wed May 15, 2024 7:43 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
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Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
Then you "incorporate" an idea that isn't even possibly true. It's incoherent -- The words, "true" and "coherent", are not applicable. They're applicable to everything, so long as it's true and applicable. If your version of morality isn't true or applicable, then exac...
- Wed May 15, 2024 3:50 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
I'm not talking about the incoherent concept you think "morality" is, that's for sure. No, it isn't what I think morality is; it is what morality is to me, and to a good many others here, it seems. Then you "incorporate" an idea that isn't even possibly true. It's incoherent -- ...
- Wed May 15, 2024 9:17 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
It isn't, actually. Because you haven't established that any of those opinions are actually "moral." I know for sure that I have feelings about right and wrong, and that is what morality is, and that is what I am referring to when I talk about morality. You are obviously talking about som...
- Tue May 14, 2024 3:04 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
No God, no morality. If you think otherwise, just show what I asked you to show: that you can justify one moral precept. Just one . Any one , with no reference to objectivity. We know that everybody has subjective moral opinions, so the only question is, is there any other kind of morality; It isn'...
- Tue May 14, 2024 8:32 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
No God, no morality. If you think otherwise, just show what I asked you to show: that you can justify one moral precept. Just one . Any one , with no reference to objectivity. We know that everybody has subjective moral opinions, so the only question is, is there any other kind of morality; one tha...
- Mon May 13, 2024 3:14 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
None you will admit, anyway. But yeah, there is. No there isn't. Yeah, there is. But you have to allow the evidence to be recognized as evidence. If you just gratuitiously insist there's none, and never look, then not surprisingly, you'll remain convinced of that. But the deficiency won't be in the...
- Mon May 13, 2024 12:30 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
It looks like the discussion now hinges on whether God exists. If there is no God, there’s no morality. Since there’s no such thing as objective morality and furthermore subjective morality is subjective and worthless, God is either worthless or doesn’t exist. IC's claims about morality are inextri...
- Mon May 13, 2024 9:04 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
Of course they can. Being moral makes the world more habitable, unless you want to fortify your home against your neighbors walking in and stealing from you. Morality holds society together. That is why you should be moral. Nietzsche had an answer for that one, too. Yes, it can be useful for other ...
- Mon May 13, 2024 7:14 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10041
- Views: 925089
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
It seems you are wrong on the grounds that too many people agree with you, Peter.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 6:09 am
The fact is your realism view is a primal and primitive view driven by an evolutionary default, thus supported by the majority.
- Mon May 13, 2024 7:04 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
No, rationality makes it so. There is no rationality by which it can be shown that God is an objective reality. None you will admit, anyway. But yeah, there is. No there isn't. There are some things about nature that we yet have no explanation for, so you arbitrarily attribute them to God, that's a...
- Mon May 13, 2024 12:19 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
That's not an either-or, Gary; it's a both-and. Both God and morality are objective realities, the latter being entirely dependent on the former. Saying they are does not make it so. No, rationality makes it so. There is no rationality by which it can be shown that God is an objective reality. God ...
- Sun May 12, 2024 4:12 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Reasons for Moral Objectivism
- Replies: 4
- Views: 71
Re: Reasons for Moral Objectivism
This shit doesn't even begin to resemble a philosophical argument, it reads like a poorly written political speach on behalf of some political party. You should delete it out of shame. Better to indulge his crazed objective morality obsession here, than take it out on the streets, where he might we...
- Sun May 12, 2024 3:18 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
:D I'm not "demolishing morality," Gary. I believe in morality, and I'm arguing for it. It's Subjectivism that makes morality impossible, and which inevitably leads logically to Nihilism. Ironically, Nietzsche, the man who famously said "God is dead," agrees with me entirely on ...
- Sun May 12, 2024 4:11 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
- Sun May 12, 2024 3:55 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 289
- Views: 3065
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
Unless I break a mirror, or walk under a ladder, or something.