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But that's the great thing about objective morality...it's the same for everybody. No it isn't. Religion based "objective" morality, such as yours, is a question of what religion you happen to belong to. If I were arguing with a Muslim, he wouldn't be telling me quite the same as you are,...

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:21 pm
And, just to make it absolutely clear, to you, I do not necessarily agree that 'tradition is important' at all.

You are right; who needs tradition?

you posters here can keep bickering and arguing about anything, like the things that you are here, which have been bickered and argued over for thousands upon thousands of years by you human beings, I agree; tradition is important. What is the 'tradition' of bickering, arguing, or fighting supposed...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 2:52 pm Harbal: you cannot even identify the topic nor what is really of value and at stake.

If you are as passionate as you say about all this religious malarkey, how come you don't spend more time in church, and less time droning on about it here?

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:07 am
you posters here can keep bickering and arguing about anything, like the things that you are here, which have been bickered and argued over for thousands upon thousands of years by you human beings,

I agree; tradition is important.

If Subjectivism were applied, you can't even require something of yourself. Unless you have a court order, or something, I think you will find that I can carry on requiring whatever I like of myself. Heh. :D You're not "requiring" anything of yourself at all. Your feelings might change in...

Man is created in the image of God, given life by God, and rightfully belongs to God, And does God have any documentary proof of ownership? Indeed He does. You're "made in his image," in that unlike lower animals, you have personhood, self-knowledge, volition, freedom, moral awareness and...

Well what we know morality "is not," is "subjective." And we know that, because there isn't even one little precept that Subjectivism can require of us. Can you explain why not being able to require anything of you makes my moral opinions not moral? I don't see the logic. If Sub...

I gave you my working definition of what murder is, what is yours? I'm interested in this "objective" definition you have. What is the objective definition of murder? The objective definition is "premeditated killing." You forgot the "unlawful" bit. Man is created in t...

Heh. :D I'm not "repealing" anything. We're talking about what's moral, not what the local laws will let you get away with. We are talking about your applying technically incorrect terms to things in order to make them sound like something they are not. Well what we know morality "is...

No, it only makes it legal. Like beating slaves to death or lopping off the heads of French kings -- also formerly made legal -- it's still murder. I admire your ambition. You started by revising all the dictionaries to your liking, and now you've moved on to repealing the law. Heh. :D I'm not &quo...

Just because somebody human legalizes something doesn't make it moral. Of course it doesn't, but it does make abortion not murder. No, it only makes it legal. Like beating slaves to death or lopping off the heads of French kings -- also formerly made legal -- it's still murder. I admire your ambiti...

Wait. So it's not okay for men to commit premeditated murder. But it IS okay for women to murder? :shock: Just bear in mind that legal abortion isn't murder, Gary. Tell him to look it up in a law book if he doesn't believe you. Just because somebody human legalizes something doesn't make it moral. ...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 5:52 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 5:34 pm I would leave it up to the female.

Wait. So it's not okay for men to commit premeditated murder. But it IS okay for women to murder?

Just bear in mind that legal abortion isn't murder, Gary. Tell him to look it up in a law book if he doesn't believe you.

See my attached question, and we'll know what he's asking, and what I'm asking him. You've told him that the abortion would be murdering a child, but you haven't said why murdering a child is morally wrong. You don't think murder is morally wrong? Generally speaking, it is my opinion that murder is...